Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread Tothwolf
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016, Jules Richardson wrote: On 01/22/2016 06:26 PM, Tothwolf wrote: The translucent yellow Rifa (now owned by Kemet) class X/Y safety capacitors in particular have a 100% failure rate and are on my replace-on-sight list. They usually begin to show visible signs of cracking in

RE: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread Tothwolf
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016, tony duell wrote: Incidentally, some machines have those sealed metal cans containing filter capacitors, inductors and sometimes discharge resistors [2]. Has anyone ever had the capacitors in one of those fail? Actually, yes. I had one fail in one of my scopes. I don't re

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread Tothwolf
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016, Mattis Lind wrote: I don't have a ESR meter or similar. It is not shorted at least and the resistance is in the several mega ohm range when measuring in circuit. Are they likely to go bad in a non catastrophic way? They can. The translucent yellow Rifa (now owned by Kemet

Re: RIFA EMI caps [WAS: Re: VT100 PSU smelling.]

2016-01-23 Thread Tothwolf
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 01/23/2016 02:40 PM, Pontus wrote: All I could find were new similar Kemet capacitors. Do you know if newer Kemet suffer from the same problem and I will regret buying them? I usually replace the Rifa capacitors with equivalent polyester safety caps

Re: RIFA EMI caps [WAS: Re: VT100 PSU smelling.]

2016-01-23 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 01/23/2016 02:40 PM, Pontus wrote: All I could find were new similar Kemet capacitors. Do you know if newer Kemet suffer from the same problem and I will regret buying them? I usually replace the Rifa capacitors with equivalent polyester safety caps (X or Y rated). Kemets are most common

RIFA EMI caps [WAS: Re: VT100 PSU smelling.]

2016-01-23 Thread Pontus
On 01/23/2016 01:26 AM, Tothwolf wrote: They can. The translucent yellow Rifa (now owned by Kemet) class X/Y safety capacitors in particular have a 100% failure rate and are on my replace-on-sight list. They usually begin to show visible signs of cracking in their outer casing before they fin

RE: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread tony duell
> > It's a well-known fault, but has anyone ever known one fail and actually > cause any damage (other than to itself)? AIUI, they're there to reduce Not really. Maybe a blown fuse. I have had the live-earth capacitor in a filter fail and trip the RCD in my consumer unit (meaning I was in the da

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
On 1/23/2016 5:40 AM, Mattis Lind wrote: This is a 0.0033 uF 1600VDC SPARAGUE capacitor. It looks nice and orange and there are no signs of cracks whatsoever. What is the likelihood of this being bad? Not highly likely, but possible. Just put another one in temporarily and see if it solv

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread Jules Richardson
On 01/22/2016 06:26 PM, Tothwolf wrote: The translucent yellow Rifa (now owned by Kemet) class X/Y safety capacitors in particular have a 100% failure rate and are on my replace-on-sight list. They usually begin to show visible signs of cracking in their outer casing before they finally go out wi

RE: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread tony duell
> > Well. It depends if you read the schematics before you do so. In this case > I powered the startup voltage from a 12 V bench supply. Normally the > startup voltage comes from a small mains transformer and a 7812. Then I > supplied the primary side voltage for the main switch transistor using a

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Mattis Lind > I don't have an capacitance / ESR meter so I cannot check it. If you do a lot of work with analog components (and it sounds like you do), it's probably worth getting capacitance and ESR meters, they can be obtained (new) on eBay for not that much. I have one of each

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread Mattis Lind
>>> >> I don't have a ESR meter or similar. It is not shorted at least and the >> resistance is in the several mega ohm range when measuring in circuit. Are >> they likely to go bad in a non catastrophic way? >> > > They can. The translucent yellow Rifa (now owned by Kemet) class X/Y > safety capac

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread Mattis Lind
> > >> Well. It depends if you read the schematics before you do so. >> > > Assuming they're available for the particular PSU one is attempting to > test. > > Yes of course. If I have a PSU where I have doubts about the function and there is no schematic I spend a few hours trace out the relevant p

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-23 Thread Mattis Lind
> > Speaking generally, I don't know that that will necessarily save one (in > using a variac on a SMPS). > I for one think it is a good practice to start carefully. I like the idea of bringing up the voltage over capacitors and other electronics in a controlled manner. Electronics that had been s

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-22 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2016-Jan-22, at 3:56 PM, Mattis Lind wrote: > 2016-01-22 21:48 GMT+01:00 j...@cimmeri.com : >> On 1/22/2016 2:54 PM, Mattis Lind wrote: >> >>> Short: R27 in my VT100 PSU is hot and smelling. Why? >>> >>> Long: I think it has been 20 years since I powered up this VT100 so I did >>> it carefully

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-22 Thread Tothwolf
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016, Mattis Lind wrote: 2016-01-23 0:32 GMT+01:00 Peter Coghlan : R27 is part of the snubber network on the primary side of this forward-type SMPS PSU. But why it it getting so hot. Is it normal? I have completely forgotten how a VT100 smell when running... Snubber as in a re

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-22 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
On 1/22/2016 6:56 PM, Mattis Lind wrote: 2016-01-22 21:48 GMT+01:00 j...@cimmeri.com: On 1/22/2016 2:54 PM, Mattis Lind wrote: Short: R27 in my VT100 PSU is hot and smelling. Why? Long: I think it has been 20 years since I powered up this VT100 so I did it carefully. Used a Variac and a benc

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-22 Thread Mattis Lind
2016-01-23 0:32 GMT+01:00 Peter Coghlan : > > > > R27 is part of the snubber network on the primary side of this > forward-type > > SMPS PSU. But why it it getting so hot. Is it normal? I have completely > > forgotten how a VT100 smell when running... > > > > Snubber as in a resistor in series wit

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-22 Thread Mattis Lind
2016-01-22 21:48 GMT+01:00 j...@cimmeri.com : > On 1/22/2016 2:54 PM, Mattis Lind wrote: > >> Short: R27 in my VT100 PSU is hot and smelling. Why? >> >> Long: I think it has been 20 years since I powered up this VT100 so I did >> it carefully. Used a Variac and a bench supply. It switched just fin

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-22 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > R27 is part of the snubber network on the primary side of this forward-type > SMPS PSU. But why it it getting so hot. Is it normal? I have completely > forgotten how a VT100 smell when running... > Snubber as in a resistor in series with a capacitor across the primary? If so check the capacit

Re: VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-22 Thread j...@cimmeri.com
On 1/22/2016 2:54 PM, Mattis Lind wrote: Short: R27 in my VT100 PSU is hot and smelling. Why? Long: I think it has been 20 years since I powered up this VT100 so I did it carefully. Used a Variac and a bench supply. It switched just fine and delivered the steady 5V out when the input was at appr

VT100 PSU smelling.

2016-01-22 Thread Mattis Lind
Short: R27 in my VT100 PSU is hot and smelling. Why? Long: I think it has been 20 years since I powered up this VT100 so I did it carefully. Used a Variac and a bench supply. It switched just fine and delivered the steady 5V out when the input was at approx 50V (115V input). All the other voltages