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From: "Toby Thain via cctalk"
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Subject: Re: Burroughs TD keyboard - was Selling keyboards without the terminal
> On 2018-10-24 5:28 p.m., Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
>> It's pretty unlike
On 2018-10-24 5:28 p.m., Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
> It's pretty unlikely that I'll ever get my TD700 working so, with all this
> talk about terminals missing keyboards, does anyone need/want a keyboard for
> a Burroughs TD700/TD800 type terminal?
>
> http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/imag
It's pretty unlikely that I'll ever get my TD700 working so, with all this talk
about terminals missing keyboards, does anyone need/want a keyboard for a
Burroughs TD700/TD800 type terminal?
http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/images/0/0f/Burroughs_TD_700-3.jpg
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/bur
Hi Chuck! Ah the frantic keys pounding and screaming while playing?
Maybe yea I poke mine pretty slow... there are some days I have
trouble making my fingers type... maybe I type too slow!!?!
I am looking at a site that says cheap usb ps2 adapters are
On 10/23/18 1:09 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
> dunno what being a gamer has to do with it working or not...
It's always seemed to me that gamers use/abuse keyboards more than those
of us who simply use them to type.
Maybe that's a mistaken impression.
--Chuck
dunno what being a gamer has to do with it working or not...
my problem was it would just have the keyboard go away and not
respond... tried several I had...
worked on older computers...
oh well!
Ed#
In a message dated 10/19/2018 11:14:11 AM US Mountain Standard T
I like my xps. I do not make grocery lists on it I edit news video
with it... for video editing faster is better and what I really want is
not yet fast enough!
speaking of video and keyboards and computers...
I need an AMIGA keyboard to go with the Amiga wi
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 12:50, Yvan Janssens via cctalk
wrote:
>
> So, I have built a USB adapter for my 5150’s keyboard. The experience is
> actually quite bad, as stated earlier. The main reason why I still use it
> is because I took it with me from Belgium - it’s a French keyboard, and
> having
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 21:01, ben via cctalk wrote:
> Is just me, but is keyboad input geting slower and slower on web stuff,
> even the old 110 buad tty gave better response running under a PDP/8.
https://danluu.com/input-lag/
Summary: no, it's not just you.
--
Liam Proven - Profile: https:/
On 10/21/18 11:25 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> Because of my job, I have to think about what the museum needs to collect
> at the bottom of the supply bathtub curve, and I get nervous when things
> start to come up on the tail side.
I should probably expound on that a bit more.
I've noti
On 10/20/18 10:05 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
> It's Beanie Babies all over again, people. Give it a year or two and the
> keyboard market will likely crash.
I don't see it happening, unless someone turns up a warehouse full of the
things cheap to drive supply up.
All I hear about a
On 10/20/18 8:11 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
> I have an old Apple Newton keyboard... would that be useful? It's just a
> simple serial protocol with a table that at one
> point I write a program that used the xtest extension to allow me to use it
> as my main keyboard while in X11 Would
> tha
It's Beanie Babies all over again, people. Give it a year or two and the
keyboard market will likely crash. Pick them up on the slide down. I bet
most will not be gutted, simply due to the general lack of activity of
computer people. Just like we are.
--
Will (who paid attention to all those IBM t
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 9:05 PM Warner Losh wrote:
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> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 7:56 PM Al Kossow via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
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>>
>> On 10/20/18 5:16 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
>> > I'm surprised there aren't a boatload of arduino projects to create a PC
>> > keyboard
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 7:56 PM Al Kossow via cctalk
wrote:
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>
> On 10/20/18 5:16 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
> > I'm surprised there aren't a boatload of arduino projects to create a PC
> > keyboard to each of the classics...
>
> If things continue as they are, people will be forced to do
On 10/20/18 5:16 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
> I'm surprised there aren't a boatload of arduino projects to create a PC
> keyboard to each of the classics...
If things continue as they are, people will be forced to do that, or create
replicas.
In the past, the kb collectors would build
I'm surprised there aren't a boatload of arduino projects to create a PC
keyboard to each of the classics...
Warner
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 6:00 PM Ian Primus via cctalk
wrote:
> Ugh - this is super frustrating to see. Especially since I have a 3101
> here with no keyboard. And the reason *why* i
Ugh - this is super frustrating to see. Especially since I have a 3101
here with no keyboard. And the reason *why* it has no keyboard? It got
bought out from under me. I bought this terminal, complete, on eBay.
It arrives... with no keyboard. I complained to the seller, he
refunded all my money and
On 10/20/18 10:41 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> From: Al Kossow
> The quality of modern keycaps is poor.
> These guys are after mechanical boards with double-shot keytops.
There's something I'm still not quite grasping.
I can see two reasons for people liking the old keyb
all this keyboard jewelry reminds me of people ripping keys off old vintage
typewriters that had the celluloid tops to make woman's jewelry of
very sad.. saw this happening in the places that sold this kid of stuff..
.
In a message dated 10/20/2018 9:31:33 AM US Mountain Standa
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:03 AM, Doc Shipley via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> That's just nasty. Your invective, that is. There are idiots in any
> enthusiast group, and predators. Including this group, if we're honest. You
> want to talk conspicuous consumption? How many on this list, myself
>
I am Definitely not a gamer! but my hands are
poor at typing and the benifit of hearing the key click helps the accuracy a
little.. my xps Dell has pretty loaded games but I have never played one
yet use it for video editing and internet.
l also like keyboard letters do not wear off of
> From: Doc Shipley
> You guys want people to stop scavenging those irreplaceable treasures?
> Ante up, pure and simple.
That works for keeping stuff out of the hands of scrappers (who are, after
all, business-people) - but not for fetishists who will pay totally
mind-blowing sums fo
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 9:42 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk
wrote:
> > From: Al Kossow
>
> > The quality of modern keycaps is poor.
> > These guys are after mechanical boards with double-shot keytops.
>
> There's something I'm still not quite grasping.
>
> I can see two reasons for people l
> From: Al Kossow
> The quality of modern keycaps is poor.
> These guys are after mechanical boards with double-shot keytops.
There's something I'm still not quite grasping.
I can see two reasons for people liking the old keyboards:
- i) Higher quality construction
- ii) Connection,
On 10/19/18 12:18 PM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote:
On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
Keyboard fetishists are vermin; They are destructive and have no redeeming
qualities, and
So, I have built a USB adapter for my 5150’s keyboard. The experience is
actually quite bad, as stated earlier. The main reason why I still use it
is because I took it with me from Belgium - it’s a French keyboard, and
having access to all the special characters makes typing in eg. French,
German o
On 2018-10-19 3:15 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-3101-beam-spring-keyboard-purchased-new-in-1982/123422383512?has
Subject: Re: Selling keyboards without the terminal
On 10/19/18 1:18 PM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote:
On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
Keyboard fetishists are vermin; They are des
i need decmate 2 colored keyboard for wordprocessing wps8 thanks ed
In a message dated 10/19/2018 1:55:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
On 10/19/18 1:18 PM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote:
>> On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
On 10/19/18 1:18 PM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote:
>> On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
>> separated
>
> Keyboard fetishists are vermin; They are destructive and have no redeeming
> qu
On 10/19/18 11:14 AM, allison via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 01:23 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
> Me I had M keyboards in the day, thought they sucked! Vt100 and VT220
> early version
> were my measure. None of them made me type better!
I will confess to a fondness for my old NCR Cherr
the ps2 to usb adapters do not work well with my dell xps
go fast computer!
That would explain all the extra spaces...
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, ben via cctalk wrote:
I wonder how many letters got deleated while the mail program's input got
lost as the fast computer popup windows kep
On 10/19/2018 12:19 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
the ps2 to usb adapters do not work well with my dell xps
go fast computer!
That would explain all the extra spaces...
- Josh
I wonder how many letters got de
Woof! I have a complete, working IBM 3101 terminal (got it from a
former co-worker who used to use it to work from home at CompuServe)
and it's tempting to sell just the keyboard.
-ethan
Just use an arduino to make an adapter so you can use a USB keyboard with
the 3101 terminal.
If you used
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
> the ps2 to usb adapters do not work well with my dell xps
> go fast computer!
>
That would explain all the extra spaces...
- Josh
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
> separated
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-3101-beam-spring-keyboard-purchased-new-in-1982/123422383512?hash=item1cbc8c1d98:g:sCkAAOSwfbhbwQvU
>
> Note the pri
On 10/19/2018 01:23 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/19/18 9:55 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
>> well i have some clicky keyboards and yea love the feedback clak
>> when I type but the usual off the rack frys usb thing is
>> problematic
> I've got a bunch of Model
On 10/19/18 9:55 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
> well i have some clicky keyboards and yea love the feedback clak
> when I type but the usual off the rack frys usb thing is problematic
I've got a bunch of Model Ms scattered around here. I remember when
Surplus Software in
> On Oct 19, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
> separated
Keyboard fetishists are vermin; They are destructive and have no redeeming
qualities, and should be treated as such.
I had one of them spen
the ps2 to usb adapters do not work well with my dell xps go
fast computer!
In a message dated 10/19/2018 9:20:07 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
>
> >
>
> They are just PS/2 keyboards, right? Or AT? The USB adapters for that are a
> dime a doz
well i have some clicky keyboards and yea love the feedback clak
when I type but the usual off the rack frys usb thing is problematic
so by thinner bean it clacks but has a lighter motion?
then I have this ibm clacky keyboard with several rows of fu
The quality of modern keycaps is poor.
These guys are after mechanical boards with double-shot keytops.
If you do find modern double-shots, the fonts they use are crap.
The kb I'm typing on cost me about $300 after having to buy replacement caps
for almost the same price as the kb was.
I had som
On 10/19/18 9:50 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> leave the keyboard connected to whatever it originally came with.
Very funny...
They don't give a fsck about old junk, they just want the l33t kb
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
i used an adapter to usb?? and?? it?? would?? glitch?? and lock?? sometimes...
ed#
Why don't the fancy "Gamer" computers have a REAL keyboard port?
Or, just leave the keyboard connected to whatever it originally came with.
Place the "gamer" 4
On 10/19/18 9:19 AM, Ethan via cctalk wrote:
> I don't get it. You can buy off the shelf clicky keyboards with RGB for $150.
The quality of modern keycaps is poor.
These guys are after mechanical boards with double-shot keytops.
If you do find modern double-shots, the fonts they use are crap
On 10/19/18 8:41 AM, js--- via cctalk wrote:
> Why is the keyboard being sold alone, when the terminal is right there?
Keyboard collectors.
https://deskthority.net/ etc.
Any 70's or 80's mechanical switch or hall-effect keyboard is going for big
bucks now.
This has been discussed here and on
Hi Ed,
This particular keyboard uses beam spring key switches. These are
considered ultra luxury old-school key switches with really good key caps.
IBM spared no expense. The IBM 3101 is the thinnest beam spring keyboard
and looks closest to the IBM Model M (sort of) in terms of keys. While the
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:14:56PM -0400, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
> OK I am sorry I do not understand why the keyboard went this high?
>
>
...
>
> cctalk wrote:
> > Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
> > separated
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/IB
On 2018-10-19 1:19 p.m., Ethan via cctalk wrote:
>> OK I am sorry I do not understand why the keyboard went this high?
>> Please... Please... someone explain?
>> Ed#
>
> Race for the loudest keyboard. Bragging rights of the rare?
>
> An Adlib card sold for $3100 a year ago or so. Friends
>
>
> >
>
> They are just PS/2 keyboards, right? Or AT? The USB adapters for that are a
> dime a dozen. I have 4 in my basement (the real PS/2 to USB, not the faux
> ones that allowed dual-mode mice to connect to USB).
>
> Warner
>
The 3101 is not PS/2, pre-dates the IBM PC. If someone made an ad
OK I am sorry I do not understand why the keyboard went this high?
Please... Please... someone explain?
Ed#
Race for the loudest keyboard. Bragging rights of the rare?
An Adlib card sold for $3100 a year ago or so. Friends were suspicious
that people were driving up the price of their
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
I sold a working luggable computer. The keys were a bit clicky but I put
on the auction to try to thwart the keyboard collectors. I shipped it
working, buyer claimed it wasn't working when arrived. Ended up having
OK I am sorry I do not understand why the keyboard went this high?
Please... Please... someone explain?
Ed#
In a message dated 10/19/2018 8:40:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
On 10/19/2018 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via
cctalk wrote:
> Here is a g
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:59 AM John Foust via cctalk
wrote:
> At 10:41 AM 10/19/2018, js--- via cctalk wrote:
> >B, I don't get it. Why is the keyboard being sold alone, when the
> terminal is right there? And how come this particular keyboard is so
> hugely in demand?
>
> My son is a fancy Si
i used an adapter to usb and it would glitch and lock sometimes... ed#
In a message dated 10/19/2018 8:59:25 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
At 10:41 AM 10/19/2018, js--- via cctalk wrote:
>B, I don't get it. Why is the keyboard being sold alone, when the te
At 10:41 AM 10/19/2018, js--- via cctalk wrote:
>B, I don't get it. Why is the keyboard being sold alone, when the terminal is
>right there? And how come this particular keyboard is so hugely in demand?
My son is a fancy Silicon Valley twenty-something programmer, and
all he wanted for Christm
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:40 AM js--- via cctalk
wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via
> cctalk wrote:
> > Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
> > separated
> >
> >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-3101-beam-spring-keyboard-purchased-new-in-1982/123422
On 10/19/2018 10:34 AM, Bill Degnan via
cctalk wrote:
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-3101-beam-spring-keyboard-purchased-new-in-1982/123422383512?hash=item1cbc8c1d98:g:sCkAAOSwfbhbwQvU
Note the price $2000 so far. H
Here is a great example of why the keyboards and terminals are getting
separated
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-3101-beam-spring-keyboard-purchased-new-in-1982/123422383512?hash=item1cbc8c1d98:g:sCkAAOSwfbhbwQvU
Note the price $2000 so far. How could one blame the seller. I wonder if
this is the
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