Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-16 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/15/19 10:22 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: While the CMD and SMD drives could be used on the same host interface the Hawk could not since the interface was different from the SMD interface. I've been told by someone who worked down in OK that there were MANY different OEM variations o

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-15 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
måndag 16 december 2019 skrev Eric Smith via cctalk : > On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 3:05 AM jim stephens via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > I don't know that I recall SMD being a product as much as a reference to > > the interface they had though. > > > > "SMD" was in fact a product na

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-15 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
I could probably lend it out, as I have a hacked copy of RSX11M on it. First I have to find the controller/power supply. Will check around next time I'm up in the attic. C On 12/15/2019 4:57 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 12/15/19 12:47 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Oddly enough I h

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-15 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 12:31 PM shad via cctalk wrote: > I have two CDC Lark Disk modules I would like to revive, they are in good > [...] > IIRC there was a sort of adapter board between SMD and (xxx blank spot) > interface. There was a description of the interface, it was really similar >

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-15 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 3:05 AM jim stephens via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I don't know that I recall SMD being a product as much as a reference to > the interface they had though. > "SMD" was in fact a product name. The CDC976x, BK4XX, BK5XX, BK6XX, and BK7XX series drives had the

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-15 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/15/19 12:47 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Oddly enough I have a 9457 Lark out in the shed. I've been looking for one for a while to try to recover an early Sun Unix if you don't have a need for it.

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-15 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Oddly enough I have a 9457 Lark out in the shed. The trick is the SMD to whatever it is connection is made in the power supply box, there is a ribbon cable going from the box to up to two drives and an SMD interface on the other side. Do you have the power supply? C On 12/15/2019 2:31 PM, sha

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-15 Thread shadoooo via cctalk
Hello, well maybe my memory has blank spots. I have two CDC Lark Disk modules I would like to revive, they are in good shape, but only one has a cartridge included, and they are not identical. Not sure if the other one could be employed without cartridge. I never found a manual with exact model cor

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-15 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 12/14/2019 10:58 PM, Eric Smith wrote: According to CDC and MPI documents on various drives, and the SMD/MMD/CMD specification document:     SMD = Storage Module Drive     MMD = Mini-Module Drive     CMD = Cartridge Module Drive These were separate groups of products, though they obviously

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-14 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 2:47 AM jim stephens via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > CMD was the name of the division that manufactured the disks, The division was Magnetic Peripherals Inc. (MPI). I've never heard of it having been called CMD either before or after it was called MPI. There

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-14 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
Thanks Eric, I somehow missed that one. TTFN - Guy > On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:55 AM Guy Sotomayor via cctalk > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > I’ve been trying to find *detailed* specifications (mainly detailed signal > timings) fo

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-14 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
lördag 14 december 2019 skrev jim stephens via cctalk : > > > On 12/14/2019 1:10 AM, shad via cctalk wrote: > >> Hello, >> I also was searching about a clear SMD specification years ago, I found >> something in disk documentation from CDC, but doubts remain, because some >> disks call the inte

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-14 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 12/14/2019 1:10 AM, shad via cctalk wrote: Hello, I also was searching about a clear SMD specification years ago, I found something in disk documentation from CDC, but doubts remain, because some disks call the interface SMD, some other CMD, never understood the difference... CMD was th

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-14 Thread shadoooo via cctalk
Hello, I also was searching about a clear SMD specification years ago, I found something in disk documentation from CDC, but doubts remain, because some disks call the interface SMD, some other CMD, never understood the difference... Andrea

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-13 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:55 AM Guy Sotomayor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I’ve been trying to find *detailed* specifications (mainly detailed signal > timings) for the SMD disk interface but all I’ve found so far are the > interface specifications for individual disks (CDC, Fujit

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-13 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 11:10 AM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > ANSI has a spec, X3.91M_1987 I don't know if it covers the SMD-E , etc. > X3.91M-1987 section 6 covers "Interface Extensions", which includes adding tag 4, 5, and 6, dual-port provisions, spinup sequencing, index mark and sector mark

Re: SMD disk specifications

2019-12-13 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
ANSI has a spec, X3.91M_1987 I don't know if it covers the SMD-E , etc. On 12/13/19 9:55 AM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: > Hi, > > I’ve been trying to find *detailed* specifications (mainly detailed signal > timings) for the SMD disk interface but all I’ve found so far are the > interface s

SMD disk specifications

2019-12-13 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
Hi, I’ve been trying to find *detailed* specifications (mainly detailed signal timings) for the SMD disk interface but all I’ve found so far are the interface specifications for individual disks (CDC, Fujitsu, etc). I’ve looked in the usual places (bitsavers mostly) and haven’t found the spec