Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2016-06-12 Thread Noel Chiappa
So I previously: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2015-June/006953.html wrote: >> I see 'three' different kinds of 'UNIBUS to cables' cards listed: >> M9014 UNIBUS to 3 H854s >> M9015 3 H854s to UNIBUS >> M9031 UNIBUS to 3 3M cables for 11/74 >>

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-26 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jun 26, 2015, at 3:58 PM, John Wallace wrote: > > [huge snippage for brevity, apologies for rubbish formatting] > > I'm not 100% sure I'm right in what follows (it's been a long time) but > improvements are welcome. It builds on much of what has already been said. > > Termination has bee

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-26 Thread John Wallace
[huge snippage for brevity, apologies for rubbish formatting] I'm not 100% sure I'm right in what follows (it's been a long time) but improvements are welcome. It builds on much of what has already been said. Termination has been covered by various contributors - termination reduces (but may no

RE: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-26 Thread tony duell
[BC11A cable] > You're right, the alternates are grounded (ohmmeter shows it). I cannot see > how they did it; I think there must be a comb-shaped trace along the top of > the card, where it's hidden once the Flexprint cable is soldered down. The > intermediate ground conductor on one trace, on on

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-26 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: tony duell >> So every other wire on the 40-conductor flat cables should be ground - >> that's even better than the classic BC11A, where almost every other >> line is, from what I can see, simply left floating (which is better >> than nothing, but not as good as groundi

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-25 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> From: Paul Koning > >>> Right, but the very similar QBUS does have terminations (of a sort - >>> the rules for when you need terminations on QBUS extensions are so >>> complex that I don't really grok them yet) 'in the middle' > >> That d

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-25 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Paul Koning >> Right, but the very similar QBUS does have terminations (of a sort - >> the rules for when you need terminations on QBUS extensions are so >> complex that I don't really grok them yet) 'in the middle' > That doesn't seem likely. ... the definition of 'te

RE: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-25 Thread tony duell
[M9014] [One row on each Berg is ground] > Ah, hadn't noticed that! But then again, I hadn't looked at them closely > yet! :-) Yes, they do connect to ground - all the UNIBUS ground pins are > ganged together, and connected to the A-row Berg pins on all 3 connectors. I am not at all surprised th

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-25 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jun 25, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> From: tony duell > > ... >>> I was wondering if maybe the M9015 was an M9014 with termination >>> resistors, or something (the way the QBUS versions come with and with >>> termination) > >> I would be very surprised. Unibus is normally te

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-25 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: tony duell > There are 3 40 pin Berg headers, one row of each appears to be ground Ah, hadn't noticed that! But then again, I hadn't looked at them closely yet! :-) Yes, they do connect to ground - all the UNIBUS ground pins are ganged together, and connected to the A-row Berg pin

RE: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-25 Thread tony duell
>> If it's any help I pulled an M9014 out of the Unibus Out slot of my > > 11/730. There's currently an M9302 in there. > > Very interesting! Thanks for the data. This seems to indicate that the M9014 > could function as either end of the cable. Somewhere I have the expansion box that wen

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets

2015-06-25 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Alan Perry > FYI, in my 750, the UNIBUS expansion has a L0010 in the main cabinet > and a M9014 in the expansion cabinet. > From: tony duell > If it's any help I pulled an M9014 out of the Unibus Out slot of my > 11/730. There's currently an M9302 in there. Very

RE: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets Was: Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-22 Thread tony duell
> So I'm trying to look into this (BC11 cables being unobtainium these days, at > least at prices which are less their weight in gold). Are they really that rare? I've got a small box of them here. > I assume the M9014/M9015 are a pair, one used at the start of the cable, and > one at the end?

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets Was: Looking fo

2015-06-22 Thread Paul Anderson
The 3 bergs to unibus was used in the RK8-E, the unibus end plugging into the first physical drive. Between unibus backplanes were always M920, M9202, bus margin jumpers, which i can't remember the part numbers, and various Albe and other non-dec options. The cable was always a BC11A-XX, i think 2

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets Was: Looking fo

2015-06-22 Thread John Wilson
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:46:08AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> I've seen M9014s only at the far end of the UBAs on a KS10, so it >> wasn't taking the place of a BC11. > >??? If it wasn't take the place of a BC11 (i.e. proving a path for the UNIBUS >out), what was it doing? OK then I gues

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets Was: Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-22 Thread Al Kossow
On 6/22/15 8:51 AM, Alan Perry wrote: On another topic, we had discussed me going through my B1000 stuff and Burroughs contacts to assist the buyer of that system that you facilitated. Unfortunately, all that I have come up with are dead ends. I found additional material, but is all pretty mu

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets Was: Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-22 Thread Alan Perry
FYI, in my 750, the UNIBUS expansion has a L0010 in the main cabinet and a M9014 in the expansion cabinet. I didn't note the details of the cable(s) between the two when I did the inventory of my system. On another topic, we had discussed me going through my B1000 stuff and Burroughs contacts

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets Was: Looking fo

2015-06-22 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: John Wilson > I've seen M9014s only at the far end of the UBAs on a KS10, so it > wasn't taking the place of a BC11. ??? If it wasn't take the place of a BC11 (i.e. proving a path for the UNIBUS out), what was it doing? > it'd certainly be easy to make replacements for th

Re: UNIBUS extension card/cable sets Was: Looking for info on National Semiconductor RAM board (VAX 11/730)

2015-06-22 Thread John Wilson
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:09:38AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: >I assume the M9014/M9015 are a pair, one used at the start of the cable, and >one at the end? Interesting. I can't think of a reason why the two ends would need to be different, but otherwise why do both exist? I've seen M9014s only