Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread william degnan
Next big step is to get the rack into the basement, not an easy feat. On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Henk Gooijen wrote: > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: william degnan Sent: Sunday, > September 06, 2015 8:51 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic > Posts Subject:

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread william degnan
I have uploaded more photos of my TU10M (it's a master with the TM backplane installed). I also updated the design of the file listing pages on my site to make it easier for people to find things. One of the images shows it has the RSX-11M tape loaded. I have been cleaning the cables, having fun

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-06 16:55, Al Kossow wrote: On 9/6/15 6:12 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: I have played a little with KA-10 and KI-10. And yes, there are similarities. KA is built out of R/S/B series negative logic modules, which have single-sided edge connectors. KI was built with TTL (M series pos

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/6/15 6:12 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: I have played a little with KA-10 and KI-10. And yes, there are similarities. KA is built out of R/S/B series negative logic modules, which have single-sided edge connectors. KI was built with TTL (M series postive logic) as was the PDP-8I/L/E, PDP

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-06 14:38, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Johnny Billquist > Early DMA controllers were all multiple cards, so having their own > dedicated backplanes were a pretty sane idea. Well, there was also that large intermediate generation which still had their own backplanes, but

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Johnny Billquist > Early DMA controllers were all multiple cards, so having their own > dedicated backplanes were a pretty sane idea. Well, there was also that large intermediate generation which still had their own backplanes, but they were 'system unit' (for lack of a define

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread Christian Corti
On Sat, 5 Sep 2015, Al Kossow wrote: They were common. I worked on a bunch of them. Expect the vacuum sensors to be bad in the columns. I think Guy still has a couple of them. We've repaired them with cut outs from latex gloves. The problem is the membrane that became brittle with the time. O

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread william degnan
I am the original poster, I have two planes of cards, not 1. my link pointed to a page with a thumbnail photo of one of the two planes, but below that are links to more pics http://vintagecomputer.net/digital/TU10/ Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Sep 6, 2015 8:18 AM, "Jay Jaeg

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread william degnan
I am going to see if I can find the card inventory and installtion guide info for the TM11 so that I can confirm whether I indeed have one installed in the TU10'S cabinet. So far I have found little. Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Sep 6, 2015 8:14 AM, "Johnny Billquist" wro

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 9/6/2015 3:15 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: >> Just to be clear, a TU10, even a master, does NOT connect directly to a >> PDP-11. Instead, a cable of the same general ilk as a BC11 UNIBUS Cable >> (but I have not verified it is in fact the same kind

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-05 20:25, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From william degnan > I was looking to see if references to the tm11 were "module/card" or > backplane interface. I think pretty much all that earliest generation of UNIBUS interfaces were stand-alone backplanes (i.e. 19" wide things tha

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-06 Thread Eric Smith
On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > Just to be clear, a TU10, even a master, does NOT connect directly to a > PDP-11. Instead, a cable of the same general ilk as a BC11 UNIBUS Cable > (but I have not verified it is in fact the same kind of cable) connects > the drive to the TM11 c

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread william degnan
Thanks. There are 2 backplanes at 90 degrees of each other installed in the cabinet. 2 separate power supplies.I still need to inventory the cards and look up what they are configured to do. I have cables. Just getting started. Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Sep 5, 201

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 9/5/2015 10:40 AM, william degnan wrote: > Ok. I checked my tu10, it has the backplane, it is a master. I see where > it connects using the backplane cable to the pdp11. I never worked with a > TU10 before and I was looking to see if references to the tm11 were > "module/card" or backplane i

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread william degnan
I am just getting started. Here are a few pictures http://vintagecomputer.net/digital/TU10/ My immediate goal is to clean, disassemble and then get it into the basement before the stink bug season starts. On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: David Gesswein > >

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: David Gesswein > I have a working one on an 8. It took a lot of work to get it to that > state. > > http://www.pdp8online.com/tu10/tu10-repair.shtml Wow. That is a really awesome repair job you did there. My hat is off... Noel

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread ben
On 9/5/2015 4:32 PM, ben wrote: On 9/5/2015 3:16 PM, David Gesswein wrote: 9 track drives don't seem to be that popular to collect. I think the vacuum column drives are interesting to watch. The IBM ones are nicer but this one is easier to move. And from the old movies isn't not a computer if i

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread ben
On 9/5/2015 3:16 PM, David Gesswein wrote: 9 track drives don't seem to be that popular to collect. I think the vacuum column drives are interesting to watch. The IBM ones are nicer but this one is easier to move. And from the old movies isn't not a computer if it doesn't have spinning tapes.

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread David Gesswein
On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:46:44AM -0700, Al Kossow wrote: > On 9/5/15 8:40 AM, william degnan wrote: > >I surprisingly found little > >commentary or threads about the TU10 / TM11, other than DEC docs. I guess > >these are not super common > > They were common. I worked on a bunch of them. Expec

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From william degnan > I was looking to see if references to the tm11 were "module/card" or > backplane interface. I think pretty much all that earliest generation of UNIBUS interfaces were stand-alone backplanes (i.e. 19" wide things that went in an H960 in a fixed location, and wer

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Henk Gooijen
Quick documentation check ... I think I made a mistake :-( TM11 and TMB11 are very different! I am no longer sure that you can connect a TU10 to a TMB11. Should probably indeed be a TM11. I should check docs first, next time ... Apologies, - Henk

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Henk Gooijen
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: william degnan Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 5:40 PM To: cctech Subject: Re: Tu10 pdp11 Ok. I checked my tu10, it has the backplane, it is a master. I see where it connects using the backplane cable to the pdp11. I never worked with a TU10 before

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Paul Anderson
That is one of a handful of DEC items I'm still looking for, so if anyone has an extra or running out of room, please contact me off list. I would plan on the capstan being shot also. Anyone have any extras? Paul On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2015-09-05 18:00,

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/05/2015 10:40 AM, william degnan wrote: Ok. I checked my tu10, it has the backplane, it is a master. I see where it connects using the backplane cable to the pdp11. I never worked with a TU10 before and I was looking to see if references to the tm11 were "module/card" or backplane interf

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-05 18:00, william degnan wrote: Were common, but are there a lot in use today? I am going to take some photos, share with whomever is interested. The plan is to clean thoroughly, move into the basement and work to restore. I would say they are rather uncommon today. We're basically

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread william degnan
Were common, but are there a lot in use today? I am going to take some photos, share with whomever is interested. The plan is to clean thoroughly, move into the basement and work to restore. On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > On 9/5/15 8:46 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > >> On 9/5/15

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/5/15 8:46 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 9/5/15 8:40 AM, william degnan wrote: I surprisingly found little commentary or threads about the TU10 / TM11, other than DEC docs. I guess these are not super common They were common. I worked on a bunch of them. Expect the vacuum sensors to be bad in

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/5/15 8:40 AM, william degnan wrote: I surprisingly found little commentary or threads about the TU10 / TM11, other than DEC docs. I guess these are not super common They were common. I worked on a bunch of them. Expect the vacuum sensors to be bad in the columns. I think Guy still has a

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-05 Thread william degnan
Ok. I checked my tu10, it has the backplane, it is a master. I see where it connects using the backplane cable to the pdp11. I never worked with a TU10 before and I was looking to see if references to the tm11 were "module/card" or backplane interface. I surprisingly found little commentary or

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-04 Thread Paul Koning
> On Sep 4, 2015, at 8:14 PM, william degnan wrote: > > Reading docs on DEC TU10 for pdp 11 one makes a serial connection, right? > Not sure because I found little about baud, etc. ??? A TU10 is a formatter for 7 or 9 track magnetic tape. I don't remember any Baud in that one. > I did not se

Re: Tu10 pdp11

2015-09-04 Thread Eric Smith
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 6:14 PM, william degnan wrote: > Reading docs on DEC TU10 for pdp 11 one makes a serial connection, right? > Not sure because I found little about baud, etc. No. > I did not see any definitive controller card for UNIBUS pdp 11. Maybe I am > missing something..can anyone s