Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-11 Thread Scott Quinn via cctalk
On Sat, 2021-05-08 at 12:00 -0500, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: > I seem to recall that the Tadpole AlphaBook performance is roughly on > par with the DEC Multia, which is to say, not very good.  Though I > don?t think I ever got OpenVMS running on my Multia. > > Zane I did get it running

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-08 Thread Eric Dittman via cctalk
On 5/7/21 5:07 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On May 7, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: Back in the mid-90s, there was an outfit in Britain which made some laptops using Alpha processors. That was the Tadpole ALPHAbook. Not many of those got to the outside world. Been

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-08 Thread Richard Curtis via cctalk
On Friday, May 7, 2021, 11:07 CDT, Zane Healy wrote: > These if I needed OpenVMS on a laptop, I'd simply run it via emulator or > virtualization > (not an option for Itanium).  I gather that at least some > development on OpenVMS 9.2 > is being done on VM's running on the developers laptops.

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-07 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On May 7, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > >> Back in the mid-90s, there was an outfit in Britain which made some >> laptops using Alpha processors. > > That was the Tadpole ALPHAbook. Not many of those got to the outside world. > Been watching for one for over a decade. Fo

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-07 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> Back in the mid-90s, there was an outfit in Britain which made some > laptops using Alpha processors. That was the Tadpole ALPHAbook. Not many of those got to the outside world. Been watching for one for over a decade. For a period of time it was the fastest laptop available and it was reportedl

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-07 Thread Richard Curtis via cctalk
> From: Paul Koning > Message-ID: <9d8bada7-b597-42e1-99c8-4cc751f83...@comcast.net> > Another part of the puzzle was figuring out how to feed 100 watts of power to > a chip, > and get rid of that amount of heat, neither of which were anywhere > close to what was > done at the time.  I still h

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-07 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 5/7/21 5:10 AM, Paul Koning wrote: Speaking of ECL: DEC did some amazing work with ECL VLSI in the early 1990s. There was an R&D project called "BIPS" (for "billion instructions per second") -- which aimed to build a single-chip processor that would run at a gigahertz. That was way faste

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-07 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 7, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 05/07/2021 07:10 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> >> They built an interesting hybrid system where you could write the design >> partly as geometries (for things like memory cells), partly as transistors, >> partly as gates, and par

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 05/07/2021 07:10 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: They built an interesting hybrid system where you could write the design partly as geometries (for things like memory cells), partly as transistors, partly as gates, and partly as C code. I remember an example, where they had a transistor

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-07 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 7, 2021, at 2:34 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > On 5/6/21 7:35 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > >> Ah well. I don't think it was evil marketing or VAX monsters that killed the >> KC10, it was simply the fact that the amazing instruction set couldn't be >> pipelined to mak

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-07 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/ Has a *lot* of stuff. As I start cranking up my brain to drag BLT out of the shed and start working on it I'm finding this stuff to be a serious refresher. C On 5/7/2021 2:06 AM, Lee Courtney wrote: Chris - great and interesting ove

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-06 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 5/6/21 7:35 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Ah well. I don't think it was evil marketing or VAX monsters that killed the KC10, it was simply the fact that the amazing instruction set couldn't be pipelined to make it more efficient for hardware and the memory management system wasn't as ef

Re: Pipelining and Dec Jupiter thoughts....

2021-05-06 Thread Lee Courtney via cctalk
Chris - great and interesting overview. Do you have a reading list for more details? Thanks! Lee Courtney On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 7:35 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > > Sort of. But while a lot of things happen in parallel, out of order, > speculatively, etc., the programming model exposed