Re: PDP11 switches / was Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-11-01 Thread rod
Thanks for your efforts. They seem to be PDP11 types. Has anybody had any luck with PDP -8 switches. Has 3D printing been considered.? Rod On 01/11/15 22:12, Brent Hilpert wrote: On 2015-Nov-01, at 7:21 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: I've ordered 10 7101J50-CQE2's from Online ... _Iff_ they fit int

PDP11 switches / was Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-11-01 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Nov-01, at 7:21 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> I've ordered 10 7101J50-CQE2's from Online ... _Iff_ they fit into the >> old front panels, I'll let the list know. >> ... >> let's see if the 7101J50-C's fit, then we can discuss how to proceed. > > So the switches got here Friday, and alas, they

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-11-01 Thread Noel Chiappa
> I've ordered 10 7101J50-CQE2's from Online ... _Iff_ they fit into the > old front panels, I'll let the list know. > ... > let's see if the 7101J50-C's fit, then we can discuss how to proceed. So the switches got here Friday, and alas, they are _not quite_ the right thing. They

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > OK, I've cracked the part number code. The things we are looking for > are: > > 7101J50 CxE > > 7108J50 CxE > > ... > > the C+K Web site showed two places (Electro-Sonic and > > Online-Components) stocking 7101J5

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Noel Chiappa
> OK, I've cracked the part number code. The things we are looking for are: > 7101J50 CxE > 7108J50 CxE > ... > the C+K Web site showed two places (Electro-Sonic and > Online-Components) stocking 7101J50 CQE2's .. investigating further now. OK, so I've ordered 10 7101J5

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Noel Chiappa
> It's just a matter of working out what the part number would be! OK, I've cracked the part number code. The things we are looking for are: 7101J50 CxE 7108J50 CxE where x is a letter selecting the contact material (about 10 options, including gold, silver, gold-over-silver,

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Johnny Billquist
inal Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel Chiappa Sent: 23 October 2015 12:49 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans... > From: Alexandre Souza > Easily done if I had the original part on

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > Alas, it's DPDT, not SPST. > > Ooops; the ones in the PDP-11 front panels (/05, /45, /70 and almost > certainly the /40 too) are SPDT, not SPST Yes. The footprint for the existing front panel PCBs are SPDT. > I looked at the data she

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Noel Chiappa
> Alas, it's DPDT, not SPST. Ooops; the ones in the PDP-11 front panels (/05, /45, /70 and almost certainly the /40 too) are SPDT, not SPST (typing too fast, in my excitement that these have finally been found :-). I looked at the data sheet for the ones you found, and it's actually a sheet

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:26 AM, Alexandre Souza wrote: >>> But a 11/70 replica needs two physical 'cosmetic elements': proper >>> switches, and the white bezel/frame. >>> The switches *seem* to be feasible to >>> produce cheaply (I will know in a month with PDP-8/I switches...). I had a sample

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > We have plenty of the original bezels, from which it would be easy to cast > molds > (the same part is used on the 11/45 and 11/70, unlike the rest of the front > console). Casting is one option. Another is CNC out of dense PVC foam. > The

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Jay West wrote: > Dave wrote... > -- > I think that the switches can be found, but they might be expensive. Any of these C&K-type switches are likely to sell for $4-$6 each as new (I've gotten fistfuls of similar ones at Hamfests for $0.75 or less, but it's ve

RE: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West > Sent: 23 October 2015 14:19 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: RE: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans... > > Dave wrote... >

RE: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Jay West
Dave wrote... -- I think that the switches can be found, but they might be expensive. -- But as Noel wrote... the problem isn't the CK switches as far as the "model number" on them goes. They can be found pretty easy. The problem is that CK switches used in these systems were custom made wi

RE: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Dave G4UGM
20 as FPC6120 kits are even more un-obtainium than the switches Dave Wade G4UGM > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel > Chiappa > Sent: 23 October 2015 12:49 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Cc: j...@mercury.lcs

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Alexandre Souza > Easily done if I had the original part on hand We have plenty of the original bezels, from which it would be easy to cast molds (the same part is used on the 11/45 and 11/70, unlike the rest of the front console). The real issue in any front panel recreation is

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Mike Barnes
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:37 AM, Mike Ross wrote: > Well done. Have you looked at 3D printing? Not fast, not especially > cheap, but potentially the least difficult developmentally. And once > it's set up you can just let her rip and churn them out. > > A few comments on 3D printing for projects

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Mike Ross
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote: >>> But a 11/70 replica needs two physical 'cosmetic elements': proper >>> switches, and the white bezel/frame. The switches *seem* to be feasible to >>> produce cheaply (I will know in a month with PDP-8/I switches...). The white >>> bezel

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread Alexandre Souza
But a 11/70 replica needs two physical 'cosmetic elements': proper switches, and the white bezel/frame. The switches *seem* to be feasible to produce cheaply (I will know in a month with PDP-8/I switches...). The white bezel though brings me into unknown territory. 3D CAD (based on Museum Measu

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-23 Thread dave
On Thu, 22 Oct 2015, Oscar Vermeulen wrote: Hi, Oscar is already working on another very promising product. [..]He will also pay a visit to my "museum" to take a few measurements. Sorry, can't say more I'll leave that up to Oscar. Perhaps he want to stay "below the radar" until that project

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-22 Thread David C. Jenner
How about making a version for a REAL PDP-11/70 front panel, and one for a REAL PDP-11/45 front panel, for those of us who have such stashed away waiting for the right simulator to come along... On 10/21/15 3:00 PM, Oscar Vermeulen wrote: Hi, Oscar is already working on another very promisi

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-22 Thread azd30
the scale though. But, as Mike mentioned there might be a market for the switches... -- alex - Original Message - > From: "Mike Ross" > Subject: Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans... [...snip...] > I love your 8/I, having a lot of fun with that! But I'm not sure >

Re: KIM Uno /PiDP-11 plans...

2015-10-21 Thread Mike Ross
Well done. Have you looked at 3D printing? Not fast, not especially cheap, but potentially the least difficult developmentally. And once it's set up you can just let her rip and churn them out. This is only going in one direction of course... once you have the 11/70 nailed, you *have* to do a pdp-