Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

2016-03-31 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > I have a few ideas of my own.. but for now, I'd like to hear other members > thoughts on the matter. Ultimately, it might necessarily involve bringing > the rights holders and/or publishers over on to "our side". > I wouldn't. I've already heard them many times. This has been gone through nu

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

2016-03-30 Thread drlegendre .
"Claiming that any MSFT product is "abandonware" is absurd. They DO very much care." You dang well know it. Do you even have any idea just how much of Windows 386 is still in the NT5 / Win10 codebase?! ;-) On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 3/30/16 6:26 PM, Paul Koning w

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

2016-03-30 Thread Al Kossow
On 3/30/16 6:26 PM, Paul Koning wrote: I have a few ideas of my own.. but for now, I'd like to hear other members thoughts on the matter. Ultimately, it might necessarily involve bringing the rights holders and/or publishers over on to "our side". Yes, that's precisely correct. And doing

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

2016-03-30 Thread Paul Koning
> On Mar 30, 2016, at 7:44 PM, drlegendre . wrote: > > It cannot be overemphasized, that this is one of those situations wherein > it seriously behooves the enthusiast community to sort this one out on our > own, before some heavy-handed lawyer types - with big dollar signs in their > eyes - sor

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

2016-03-30 Thread ethan
(As as side-note, it's of interest that arcade and home video game console ROMs, from roughly the same era, don't seem to fall into the abandonware class.. at least not so far as I have seen. Is this because the copyright holders are most often large, visible corporations? Perhaps, but it's also c

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

2016-03-30 Thread drlegendre .
It cannot be overemphasized, that this is one of those situations wherein it seriously behooves the enthusiast community to sort this one out on our own, before some heavy-handed lawyer types - with big dollar signs in their eyes - sorts all of it for us.. because we all know how that would most li

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

2016-03-30 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Mouse wrote: As I understand the term, the rights owner has to be nonexistent or to have proved unidentifiable or uncontactable (re which see below). The case where the owner clearly exists but demonstrably does not care about the software is, to my mind, a grey area. Disu