* William Donzelli [151015 18:00]:
> > I could have easily pitched a tent amount the electronics.
>
> Yeah, I get excited about liquid cooled mainframes, too.
>
> --
> Will
ROFLMAO!
Sorry, _the_ story is about Cray 1 which had upholstered seats. Cray 2 was not
as comfortable.
On October 15, 2015 10:06:43 PM CDT, Chris Elmquist wrote:
>However, apparently the comfy cushions of the Cray were not so
>inhospitable to one pair of mammals that consummated their relationship
>on
However, apparently the comfy cushions of the Cray were not so inhospitable to
one pair of mammals that consummated their relationship on them in a certain MN
data center during one late night shift. There _IS_ a story...
Chris
On October 15, 2015 4:53:15 PM CDT, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>On 10/15
> I could have easily pitched a tent amount the electronics.
Yeah, I get excited about liquid cooled mainframes, too.
--
Will
On 10/15/2015 02:09 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
Contrary to your remaks I did not lose a lover.
A Cray 2 ("bubbles") or an ETA-10 (liquid nitrogen) would be equally
inhospitable to any mammal trying to live in one.
I recall visiting the Honeywell (used to be GE) plant in Phoenix
sometime in
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>
> > I also noticed that the outer circumference (outer m
With out going into detail and whilst working in Germany in 1969 I
pulled a few Saturday night operator shifts for cash in hand on a big
Nixdorf system.
Just to help out a friend who did not like being there on her own.
The Computer room was air conditioned and filtered down to microns.
Being G
On 10/15/2015 09:49 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, ben wrote:
you can lose your lovers with a Cray
multiples of any size computer, or evan a single one larger than a
micro can lose your marriage.
If you lose a lover in "Bubbles", I suspect that you're also looking at
a lengthy p
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, ben wrote:
you can lose your lovers with a Cray
multiples of any size computer, or evan a single one larger than a micro
can lose your marriage.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Jason T wrote:
> A man in a black suit and skinny tie came by and asked that we not
> forget the Midrange (System/3, System/3x, AS/400...)
Carl the Technician dropped by. It's all hooked up.
http://www.marrick.com/IT_Lab.html
-ethan
So the Eagles could phone home I guess
On 15/10/2015 16:20, Eric Christopherson wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Rod Smallwood
wrote:
...
DEC had a helicopter service. The pilots had nealy all been in Vietnam.
I heard the following st
Did you work for DEC if so where/
On 15/10/2015 16:02, Paul Koning wrote:
On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Rod Smallwood
wrote:
...
DEC had a helicopter service. The pilots had nealy all been in Vietnam.
I heard the following story at a sales meeting.:
The helicopters would usually rise gently
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Rod Smallwood
>> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> DEC had a helicopter service. The pilots had nealy all been in Vietnam.
>> I heard the following story at a sales meeting.:
>>
>> The helicopters would usually rise gently
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Rod Smallwood
> wrote:
>
> ...
> DEC had a helicopter service. The pilots had nealy all been in Vietnam.
> I heard the following story at a sales meeting.:
>
> The helicopters would usually rise gently to 2000' and set course fo the next
> plant. Unless you aske
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 3:02 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 03:09:25PM -0600, ben wrote:
>> ...
>> Where do sign up for the Vintage Mini-skirt list ...
>
> I think it's called pinterest:
>
> https://www.pinterest.com/jennschiffer/women-computers/
Unfortunately that's one
You want sentimental? I have a VT100 that I know I sold to a customer in
1975 whilst at DEC and that came back a couple of years ago in a
clearout pile from I know not where. I still had my old day book I in
which kept the serial numbers and there it was!! Needless to say
surprise was not the
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 03:09:25PM -0600, ben wrote:
> On 10/14/2015 2:57 PM, Mike Loewen wrote:
> >On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> >
> >>On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote:
> >>> On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
> OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely
On 10/14/2015 12:34 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
Sorry old chap just an example. I'm a old DEC guy. My
biggest system is a VAX
I think the 360 was back in the days when they rented
every thing so not much was left behind
Mind you I would not turn down a racks worth of AS400
In the EARLY days of
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:32 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
> I do not think IBM ever really did black suits. Navy blue and dark
> grey, although the skinny tie era was before these machines (maybe the
> fat, good-for-eatin'-ribs ties of the 1970s would work).
Ah yeah, but I imagined stodgy IBM neve
> A man in a black suit and skinny tie came by and asked that we not
> forget the Midrange (System/3, System/3x, AS/400…)
I do not think IBM ever really did black suits. Navy blue and dark
grey, although the skinny tie era was before these machines (maybe the
fat, good-for-eatin'-ribs ties of the
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Rod Smallwood
wrote:
> OK so if we agree there are three classes computer
> Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe.
> It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer.
A man in a black suit and skinny tie came by and asked that we not
forget the Midrange
On 10/14/2015 3:42 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry:
"An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between
a minicomputer and a mainframe. "
A CW 1979 article about the Association of Computer Users
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry:
"An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a
minicomputer and a mainframe. "
A CW 1979 article about the Association of Computer Users (ACU) it as "a
computer costing between
On 10/14/2015 01:53 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
Something a bit bigger than a mini. I think some marketeers tried to
use that term for their answer to the VAX. It obviously didn't go
very far, given that hardly anyone remembers the term. I'm not sure
who specifically used it. Prime, perhaps?
Ha
On 10/14/2015 3:07 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 10/14/2015 01:50 PM, ben wrote:
What is a midi-computer?
Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry:
"An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a
minicomputer and a mainframe. "
A CW 1979 article about the As
On 10/14/2015 2:57 PM, Mike Loewen wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote:
On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
> OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely
> Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three
> cl
On 10/14/2015 01:50 PM, ben wrote:
What is a midi-computer?
Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry:
"An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a
minicomputer and a mainframe. "
A CW 1979 article about the Association of Computer Users (ACU) it as "
I also noticed that the outer circumference (outer most part of the logo)
doesn't appear to be a true circle, but more polygonal instead! (look*really*
carefully) Was is created using some 3d rendering software???
Good eye! Yes, we used a 3D CAD program, so that someday we could make
model
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote:
On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
> OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely
> Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three
> classes of vintage computer. We dont need pat
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:50 PM, ben wrote:
>
> On 10/14/2015 2:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>> On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely
Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must
On 10/14/2015 2:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote:
On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely
Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three
classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches wit
On 10/14/2015 12:48 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I have in front of me my copy of the TTL databook for Design
Engineers Its dated 1973. Its full of 74 series logic.
I have in front of me, the big thick brown "The Microelectronics Data
Book" from Motorola, dated 1969. There were already several fa
On 10/14/2015 1:48 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I have in front of me my copy of the
TTL databook for Design Engineers
Its dated 1973. Its full of 74 series logic.
Rod Smallwood
It's on my kindle,PC and tablet in digital form.
Ben.
On 10/14/2015 1:45 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
From original sources/refs I have kicking around:
- The first 54xx devices were introduced by TI in 1965.
- 74xx was around by 1966.
- H & L was around by 1969.
- S was around by 1971.
- LS was around by 19
On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote:
On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely
Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three
classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches with pictures but
it should say what type of s
>As time goes on more computers become vintage.
...as do their owners... (:
Terry (Tez)
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Andrew Burton
wrote:
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "ben"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:17 AM
> Subje
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Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:17 AM
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>
> I would get rid of the outer leaves and put just Vintage Computer
> Federation there instead. A tube, transistor and a early DTL?
Ps: I'm not sure about the logo. It doesn't have the ADM3A ashtray and the
keyboard doesn't look wide enough for the ADM5 layout including the numeric
keypad on the right. Is/was there such a thing as an ADM4?
That part of the image is only meant to * evoke * a terminal -- which it
did.
I have in front of me my copy of the
TTL databook for Design Engineers
Its dated 1973. Its full of 74 series logic.
Rod Smallwood
On 14/10/2015 19:04, ben wrote:
On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
OK so if we agree there are three classes computer
Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe.
I
>
> I don't think we got to "Micro, Mini and Mainframe" until we got to 2nd and
> third generation computers
>
> ... 1st generation Valve Computers like the Bendix , Pegasus, EDVAC,
> Manchester MK1, CSIRAC were just "Computers" and don't conform to the above
> classes
>
Fred - where are y
On 2015-Oct-14, at 11:12 AM, Mouse wrote:
>> The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX
>> but was it out in 1975-76?
>
> If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which
> one.
>
> But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime
> w
> But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime
> within a year or so of '78, I was working with the stuff, and it was as
> an undergrad, so I doubt I would have been working with just-released
> logic.
74xxx logic dates from the late 1960s. There are plenty of production mac
On 10/14/2015 1:12 PM, Mouse wrote:
>> The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX
>> but was it out in 1975-76?
>
> If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which
> one.
>
> But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime
> within
> The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX
> but was it out in 1975-76?
If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which
one.
But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime
within a year or so of '78, I was working with the stuff,
On 10/14/2015 11:47 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 10/14/2015 10:24 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote:
As time goes on more computers become vintage.
But, do they all? Are there any that will NEVER be vintage, and still
discarded by archeologists thousands of years fro
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> Sent: 14 October 2015 19:04
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation
>
> On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
> > OK so
On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
OK so if we agree there are three classes computer
Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe.
It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer.
We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system
we major in *snip*
As I am
On 10/14/2015 10:24 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote:
As time goes on more computers become vintage.
But, do they all? Are there any that will NEVER be vintage, and still
discarded by archeologists thousands of years from now?
I'm not even sure what "vintage" in
On 10/14/2015 7:01 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Ben Franchuk
> I would get rid of the outer leaves
I think I might agree - they don't add much, for the amount of space and
complexity they add. Very clever to make them out of PCB traces, though!
Noel
Now my dumb idea was
Sorry old chap just an example. I'm a old DEC guy. My biggest system is
a VAX
I think the 360 was back in the days when they rented every thing so not
much was left behind
Mind you I would not turn down a racks worth of AS400
On 14/10/2015 16:05, Jon Elson wrote:
On 10/14/2015 09:15 AM, Rod
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote:
As time goes on more computers become vintage.
But, do they all?
Are there any that will NEVER be vintage,
and still discarded by archeologists thousands of years from now?
On 10/14/2015 09:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
OK so if we agree there are three classes computer
Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe.
It follows that there must be three classes of vintage
computer.
We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what
type of system we major in
For example
We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system we
major in
For example Rod's Retro Restorations - IBM360
Rod Smallwood
As time goes on more computers become vintage.
--
Ethan O'Toole
OK so if we agree there are three classes computer
Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe.
It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer.
We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system
we major in
For example Rod's Retro Restorations - IBM360
Rod Smallwo
> From: Ben Franchuk
> I would get rid of the outer leaves
I think I might agree - they don't add much, for the amount of space and
complexity they add. Very clever to make them out of PCB traces, though!
Noel
There are circumstantial / companion versions logo, stand by
Bill Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net
On Oct 14, 2015 4:39 AM, "Rod Smallwood"
wrote:
> Where is the vintage computer! I cant see one
>
> Rod
>
>
>
> On 14/10/2015 08:11, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
>
>> I like it, especially the
Where is the vintage computer! I cant see one
Rod
On 14/10/2015 08:11, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath.
But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice.
Especially not if you intend to use it in print or on clothing.
Per
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 04:16:43AM -0300, Alexandre Souza wrote:
> Will they build spaceships? :D
Probably, otherwise they would have made a more "wormy" logo :)
/P
>
> 2015-10-14 4:11 GMT-03:00 Pontus Pihlgren :
>
> > I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath.
> >
> > But as
I agree that it's good to have secondary companion designs just for things
like stitched patches.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Pontus Pihlgren
wrote:
> I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath.
>
> But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice.
> Esp
Will they build spaceships? :D
2015-10-14 4:11 GMT-03:00 Pontus Pihlgren :
> I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath.
>
> But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice.
> Especially not if you intend to use it in print or on clothing.
>
> Perhaps you alre
I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath.
But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice.
Especially not if you intend to use it in print or on clothing.
Perhaps you alreade have a less complex companion logo planned.
/P
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:13:08P
Looks good Evan... Yea the ADM 3 a classic indeed!
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
In a message dated 10/13/2015 7:13:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
cct...@snarc.net writes:
Cctalk'ers,
Vintage Computer Federation -- the new 501(c)3 non-profit that now runs
the MARCH
On 10/13/2015 9:08 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
WELL-- The ADM3 is now finally iconic. Or maybe it was iconic already.
Yah, that represents us old computer guys pretty well
Glad you like it!
I have a mid-2000s VCF West t-shirt that shows the front of an ADM3 on
front, and the back of the termina
WELL-- The ADM3 is now finally iconic. Or maybe it was iconic
already. Yah, that represents us old computer guys pretty well--
almost no one born after 1990 will know what it is!
:-)
Why not a TTY? That could still could be mistaken as more modern
computer at a glance.
ADM3-style termin
On 10/13/2015 8:13 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Cctalk'ers,
Vintage Computer Federation -- the new 501(c)3 non-profit that now runs
the MARCH museum, and which will soon make some major expansion
announcements -- has a very cool new logo. Here's a preview:
http://www.snarc.net/vcf-logo-preview.png.
WELL-- The ADM3 is now finally iconic. Or maybe it was iconic already. Yah,
that represents us old computer guys pretty well
Glad you like it!
I have a mid-2000s VCF West t-shirt that shows the front of an ADM3 on
front, and the back of the terminal on back. Clever.
On 10/13/2015 8:42 PM, N0body H0me wrote:
WELL-- The ADM3 is now finally iconic.
Or maybe it was iconic already. Yah,
that represents us old computer guys
pretty well-- almost no one born after
1990 will know what it is!
:-)
Why not a TTY? That could still could be mistaken as
more modern com
the old logo also had this terminal, or something very close. Nothing
better than the ADM3 IYAM and YCAM.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Connor Krukosky wrote:
> Born 1997 and I know what it is :)
> Then again my two main projects at the moment is a DG Nova 4 with the Disk
> Subsystem (5mb f
Born 1997 and I know what it is :)
Then again my two main projects at the moment is a DG Nova 4 with the
Disk Subsystem (5mb fixed platter and 5mb removable RL style pack) and a
PDP 11/23 with a Cipher tape drive.
So I might be in the 'almost' exception category ;)
-Connor K
On 10/13/2015 10:
WELL-- The ADM3 is now finally iconic.
Or maybe it was iconic already. Yah,
that represents us old computer guys
pretty well-- almost no one born after
1990 will know what it is!
:-)
> -Original Message-
> From: cct...@snarc.net
> Sent: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:13:08 -0400
> To: cctalk@clas
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