RE: DEC MM15 core mem found

2015-12-09 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Pontus Pihlgren Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:52 PM > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 09:42:27PM +, Rich Alderson wrote: >> Flip Chip technology was invented for the PDP-7, after the failure of >> the large System Modules used in the PDP-6. > What where the failure(s) with System Modules

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

2015-12-09 Thread Al Kossow
On 12/8/15 11:52 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: What where the failure(s) with System Modules in the PDP-6? cost? reliabilty? Connectors. They had over the top and backplane connectors. They also had problems with solder joints on rivets used for connecting traces on the front and back side of th

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

2015-12-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 09:42:27PM +, Rich Alderson wrote: > > Flip Chip technology was invented for the PDP-7, after the failure of the > large System Modules used in the PDP-6. The only part of the PDP-7 which > uses System Modules(TM) is the DECtape controller for the 555 DECtape > drives.

RE: DEC MM15 core mem found

2015-12-08 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Pontus Pihlgren Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:03 AM > I've seen a memory assembly from a PDP-15 and it looks very much like > this. Also, if each connector pair corresponds to one bit it adds up to > 18 which matches the word lenght of a PDP-15. > Of course, PDP-1, -4 and -7 used 18

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

2015-12-08 Thread Mattis Lind
2015-12-08 15:01 GMT+01:00 Jay Jaeger : > But not these - PDP-11's didn't use dual-height connectors on memory. > > Anyway, they are indeed PDP-15. (Whether or not they are actually MM15 > I don't know). The page on the memory on the provided link indicates: > > G100 > G613 > G614 > > The module

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

2015-12-08 Thread Jay Jaeger
But not these - PDP-11's didn't use dual-height connectors on memory. Anyway, they are indeed PDP-15. (Whether or not they are actually MM15 I don't know). The page on the memory on the provided link indicates: G100 G613 G614 The modules and options document on bitsavers.org/dec/modules/module

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

2015-12-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
Careful. Some PDP-11 memory is also 18 bits wide... 16 bits plus two parity bits. Johnny On 2015-12-08 13:03, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I've seen a memory assembly from a PDP-15 and it looks very much like this. Also, if each connector pair corresponds to one bit it adds up to 18 which ma

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

2015-12-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
I've seen a memory assembly from a PDP-15 and it looks very much like this. Also, if each connector pair corresponds to one bit it adds up to 18 which matches the word lenght of a PDP-15. Of course, PDP-1, -4 and -7 used 18 bit word lenght, but they were not made with flip-chips. PDP-9 is made