Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-13 Thread Paul Berger
On 2015-12-13 4:28 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 12/12/2015 07:41 PM, dwight wrote: I would assume it makes no sense to have it in the cable. It is acoustic not electronic. Typically it would be a loop. Data and possibly clock goes in one end. As a practical example, consider the Packard-Bell 250

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-13 Thread William Donzelli
OK - I was told they were mercury, but frankly, I have been sort of skeptical that mercury delay lines would still be used in new digital designs that late in the game. Wire makes far more sense. -- Will On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > On 2015-Dec-12, at 7:13 PM, Eric Chr

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-13 Thread Paul Berger
On 2015-12-12 11:37 PM, William Donzelli wrote: The IBM 2848, the control unit for the 2260 terminals, contained mercury (!) delay line for the video memory. There may have been some compensation for the transmission to the terminal, but I have have not seen the technical details - I think it was

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/12/2015 09:13 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote: I'm reading about those terminals and find it just fascinating how they used acoustic delay line memory to remember the pixels. But I have lots of questions: 1. Did the cables connecting the 2260s to the display controller actually contain the

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/12/2015 09:37 PM, William Donzelli wrote: The IBM 2848, the control unit for the 2260 terminals, contained mercury (!) delay line for the video memory. There may have been some compensation for the transmission to the terminal, but I have have not seen the technical details - I think it was

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-13 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 12/12/2015 07:41 PM, dwight wrote: I would assume it makes no sense to have it in the cable. It is acoustic not electronic. Typically it would be a loop. Data and possibly clock goes in one end. As a practical example, consider the Packard-Bell 250 computer. No, not the Packard-Bell PC o

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-13 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Dec-12, at 7:13 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Jon Elson wrote (in the big top posting thread): >> >> Later they got some >> IBM 2260's, which were Zenith 9" TV sets and a keyboard connected to an >> interface box in the machine room. Very primitive, but very inter

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-12 Thread dwight
From: cctalk on behalf of Eric Christopherson Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 7:13 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Jon Elson wrote (in the big top posting thread

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-12 Thread William Donzelli
The IBM 2848, the control unit for the 2260 terminals, contained mercury (!) delay line for the video memory. There may have been some compensation for the transmission to the terminal, but I have have not seen the technical details - I think it was not a concern, probably. Line loss is really not

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-12 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On 12 December 2015 at 22:13, Eric Christopherson wrote: > I'm reading about those terminals and find it just fascinating how they > used acoustic delay line memory to remember the pixels. But I have lots > of questions: > > 1. Did the cables connecting the 2260s to the display controller > actual

IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

2015-12-12 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015, Jon Elson wrote (in the big top posting thread): > On 12/12/2015 07:22 AM, Mike wrote: > >The one question I do have for the older gentlemen on here is what in the > >world did the computers without a screen to look at do? Now I know about > >the tape, cassette tape's and even