On 2018-11-18 12:44 p.m., Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
> On 2018-11-13 10:21 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
>> > From: Toby Thain
>>
>> > To get closer I'd need better images of the panels.
>>
>> Hi, I borrowed a DEC inlay from someone (a KA10 CPU bay) and scanned a chunk
>> of it (as m
On 2018-11-13 10:21 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> > From: Toby Thain
>
> > To get closer I'd need better images of the panels.
>
> Hi, I borrowed a DEC inlay from someone (a KA10 CPU bay) and scanned a chunk
> of it (as much as I could fit into my A4 scanner :-) at 200 dpi:
>
>
> From: Paul Koning
>> The DEC font uses a zero with a slash
> For that, a capital O with a slash would probably serve.
Actually, it turns out that only earlier panels (e.g. KA10, TC08, etc) use the
slashed zero; later ones (KI10, RP11, etc) use the ordinary ones. Since our
panel is
On 11/13/2018 10:28 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 17:12, Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
Well, how DID they make panels?
Letraset? :-)
Yes, thanks, that was another brand of this technology!
Jon
At 10:11 AM 13/11/2018 -0600, you wrote:
>On 11/12/2018 08:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it should be possible
>> to find it.
>>
>> But, it is extremely likely that they did NOT use a
>> commercial font, and either had their graphics art people
>>
Dec may have used a customized font. You could recreate it fairly easily using
a font utility like Fontographer (my favorite... Really easy to use) or Font
lab.
They allow you to take a font that you like and modify the different glyphs to
your taste.
Wayne
> On Nov 12, 2018, at 12:04 PM, No
> On Nov 13, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
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> On 11/13/18 8:58 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
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>> I am not aware of one, but I can hunt around. I'm also waiting on a
>> friend who might have an idea about the DX11 panel, which is a different
>> font from this one
On 2018-11-13 10:21 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> > From: Toby Thain
>
> > To get closer I'd need better images of the panels.
>
> Hi, I borrowed a DEC inlay from someone (a KA10 CPU bay) and scanned a chunk
> of it (as much as I could fit into my A4 scanner :-) at 200 dpi:
>
>
On 11/13/18 8:58 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
> I am not aware of one, but I can hunt around. I'm also waiting on a
> friend who might have an idea about the DX11 panel, which is a different
> font from this one.
Wasn't the DX11 a Systems Concepts product?
On 2018-11-13 10:21 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> > From: Toby Thain
>
> > To get closer I'd need better images of the panels.
>
> Hi, I borrowed a DEC inlay from someone (a KA10 CPU bay) and scanned a chunk
> of it (as much as I could fit into my A4 scanner :-) at 200 dpi:
>
>
On 2018-11-13 11:11 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> On 11/12/2018 08:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it should be possible to find it.
>>
>> But, it is extremely likely that they did NOT use a commercial font,
>> and either had their graphics art peo
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 17:12, Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> Well, how DID they make panels?
Letraset? :-)
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On 11/12/2018 08:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it should be possible
to find it.
But, it is extremely likely that they did NOT use a
commercial font, and either had their graphics art people
draw the characters as needed, or used reference patterns
> From: Toby Thain
> To get closer I'd need better images of the panels.
Hi, I borrowed a DEC inlay from someone (a KA10 CPU bay) and scanned a chunk
of it (as much as I could fit into my A4 scanner :-) at 200 dpi:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/jpg/KACPUPanel.jpg
I have a TC08 in
On 2018-11-13 8:38 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
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>> On Nov 13, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk
>> wrote:
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>> On 2018-11-12 9:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>> [Top posted to avoid trimming information that might be useful to many]
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>>> IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it sho
> On Nov 13, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk
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>> On Nov 13, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk
>> wrote:
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>>> On Nov 13, 2018, at 12:11 AM, Steve Malikoff via cctalk
>>> wrote:
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>>> ...
>>> In Noel's case the originals are probably not at hand
> On Nov 13, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk
> wrote:
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>> On Nov 13, 2018, at 12:11 AM, Steve Malikoff via cctalk
>> wrote:
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>> ...
>> In Noel's case the originals are probably not at hand, so there is obviously
>> no choice but to
>> recreate them. I can't help with the
> On Nov 13, 2018, at 12:11 AM, Steve Malikoff via cctalk
> wrote:
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> ...
> In Noel's case the originals are probably not at hand, so there is obviously
> no choice but to
> recreate them. I can't help with the font but it makes me think of the curved
> font on the front
> of the PDP-11 co
> On Nov 13, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk
> wrote:
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> On 2018-11-12 9:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>> [Top posted to avoid trimming information that might be useful to many]
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>> IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it should be possible to find it.
>>
>
> Another plan
On 2018-11-12 9:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> [Top posted to avoid trimming information that might be useful to many]
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> IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it should be possible to find it.
>
Another plan of attack could be to find the corporate standards manuals
that applied during t
On 2018-11-13 12:11 AM, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote:
> Guy said
>> Hmm, I posted to the list about this 3 hours ago, and it hasn't appeared yet.
>> Is there an extra vetting process for posts that include links to web sites?
>> I included various links to font searching sites, cleaned-up sample
Guy said
> Hmm, I posted to the list about this 3 hours ago, and it hasn't appeared yet.
> Is there an extra vetting process for posts that include links to web sites?
> I included various links to font searching sites, cleaned-up samples of the
> DEC fonts
> from my own scan (online) of a DEC PDP
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IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it should be possible to find it.
These panels do appear to be typeset using commercial fonts, and yes in
theory, we can track those down.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrot
November 2018 04:30
To: Toby Thain; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Font for DEC indicator panels
At 09:58 PM 12/11/2018 -0500, you wrote:
>On 2018-11-12 9:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>> [Top posted to avoid trimming information that might be usefu
At 09:58 PM 12/11/2018 -0500, you wrote:
>On 2018-11-12 9:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>> [Top posted to avoid trimming information that might be useful to many]
>>
>> IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it should be possible to find it.
>>
>> But, it is extremely likely that they did NOT
On 2018-11-12 9:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> [Top posted to avoid trimming information that might be useful to many]
>
> IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it should be possible to find it.
>
> But, it is extremely likely that they did NOT use a commercial font, and
> either had their
[Top posted to avoid trimming information that might be useful to many]
IFF DEC used a commercial font, then it should be possible to find it.
But, it is extremely likely that they did NOT use a commercial font, and
either had their graphics art people draw the characters as needed, or
used re
On 2018-11-12 8:49 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> On 11/12/2018 04:14 PM, David Bridgham via cctalk wrote:
>> On 11/12/18 5:04 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
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>>> The name of the font translates to "Bold Extended". DIN 1451 is a
>>> family of fonts, see Wikipedia. You're looking at one of the member
Hi Noel,
That site is a fine project.
Here's another front panel image, of a PDP-8/S, from my restoration work on one
(just starting.)
http://everist.org/NobLog/20181104_PDP-8S.htm
Specifically: http://everist.org/NobLog/pics/20181104/fascia_2000.jpg
Feel free to use it.
That image is a rushe
I hadn't meant to send that message to the list, sorry, but since I did,
here it is with Alte Haas Grotesk.
http://pdp10.froghouse.org/qsic/inlay-rk11-f-altehaasgrotesk.pdf
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
Hmmm, that one DOES look closer to DEC panels that I remember.
Surely th
On 11/12/2018 04:14 PM, David Bridgham via cctalk wrote:
On 11/12/18 5:04 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
The name of the font translates to "Bold Extended". DIN 1451 is a family of
fonts, see Wikipedia. You're looking at one of the members of the family, the bold wide
one. It's not all that bold,
On 2018-11-12 5:24 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
> On 2018-11-12 5:04 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
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>>> On Nov 12, 2018, at 4:52 PM, David Bridgham via cctalk
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
> "DIN 1451 Fette Breitschrift 1936". That is probably the
> font next to the knob on the right a
On 2018-11-12 5:04 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
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>> On Nov 12, 2018, at 4:52 PM, David Bridgham via cctalk
>> wrote:
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"DIN 1451 Fette Breitschrift 1936". That is probably the
font next to the knob on the right and the bit numbers above the
switches.
>>>
>>> Yeah, th
On 11/12/18 5:04 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
> The name of the font translates to "Bold Extended". DIN 1451 is a family of
> fonts, see Wikipedia. You're looking at one of the members of the family,
> the bold wide one. It's not all that bold, judging by the pictures; if you
> need something bold
> On Nov 12, 2018, at 4:52 PM, David Bridgham via cctalk
> wrote:
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>>> "DIN 1451 Fette Breitschrift 1936". That is probably the
>>> font next to the knob on the right and the bit numbers above the
>>> switches.
>>
>> Yeah, that latter is the one we're looking for (mostly).
>
>
> I was
> > "DIN 1451 Fette Breitschrift 1936". That is probably the
> > font next to the knob on the right and the bit numbers above the
> > switches.
>
> Yeah, that latter is the one we're looking for (mostly).
I was able to download a version of that one that worked but I don't
think I
> On Nov 12, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> wrote:
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>> From: Jason T
>
>> According to my notes, for the VCFMW8 shirts ... I used DIN Next Pro
>> Rounded Medium for the panel text, although the font I had in my work
>> directory is "DIN 1451 Fette Breitschrift 1936". That is p
> From: Jason T
> According to my notes, for the VCFMW8 shirts ... I used DIN Next Pro
> Rounded Medium for the panel text, although the font I had in my work
> directory is "DIN 1451 Fette Breitschrift 1936". That is probably the
> font next to the knob on the right and the b
On 2018-11-12 3:04 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> So, anyone happen to know the font used in DEC's indicator panels:
>
> http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/DECIndicatorPanels.html
>
> or, at least, a very close match?
>
> For mockups we're doing, Dave B is using 'DejaVu Sans', but that's
> We're just about settled on the format for the QSIC RKV11-F/RPV11-D
> panels.
PS: Here's the latest rev of our thinking:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/jpg/inlay-rk11-f3.pdf
if anyone has any comments. (Since the format is entirely set by the FPGA,
it's 'easy' to tweak it,
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk
wrote:
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> So, anyone happen to know the font used in DEC's indicator panels:
>
> http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/DECIndicatorPanels.html
>
> or, at least, a very close match?
According to my notes, for the VCFMW8 shirts
(http://vcfmw.o
So, anyone happen to know the font used in DEC's indicator panels:
http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/DECIndicatorPanels.html
or, at least, a very close match?
For mockups we're doing, Dave B is using 'DejaVu Sans', but that's not a
really close match: the vertical bars are wider than in the D
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