[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-31 Thread Dave Dunfield via cctalk
CAREY SCHUG wrote: > I think I tried a game on a flatscreen, and had issues. I've seen this lots - I'm not sure its entirely "interlace" - I tended to think more of the fact that CRT's scan causing the "pixel dots" to flash at high speed (not detectable to the human eye, but detecting a such a f

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-30 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
On Mon, 20 May 2024, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > The setup on the earlier monitors was sometimes call “ODB” , don‘t know > why. Was equivalent to setup. As a counterexample my first PC monitor had nothing like that. It was a dual-frequency B&W CRT and only had three controls: a power-on swit

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 20, 2024, at 3:40 PM, Adrian Godwin via cctalk > wrote: > > I remember the VT100 interlace setting. Yes, it changed the signal > generated. I don't know if it also changed the characteristics of the > monitor but I would think not. The Pro also has such a thing in its video card. I

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Adrian Godwin via cctalk
I remember the VT100 interlace setting. Yes, it changed the signal generated. I don't know if it also changed the characteristics of the monitor but I would think not. It gave slightly higher resolution (the expectation would be double but the tube didn't have focus that good) at the cost of a hor

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On 05/20/2024 12:06 PM CDT CAREY SCHUG via cctalk > wrote: > > > so, just curious. how do digital TVs (and monitors) work? I presume the dots > are a rectangle, not sloping down to the right, no half a line at the top and > bottom. Do they just assume the brain can't tell that (for the co

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 12:06:13PM -0500, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: [...] > so, just curious. how do digital TVs (and monitors) work? I presume the > dots are a rectangle, not sloping down to the right, no half a line at the > top and bottom. Do they just assume the brain can't tell that (for t

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Is it perhaps OBD--On-Board Diagnostics? Sellam On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 11:06 AM Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > The setup on the earlier monitors was sometimes call “ODB” , don‘t know > why. Was equivalent to setup. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 20, 2024, at 11:02, Wayne S wrote: > > > >

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-05-20 12:16 p.m., Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: On 05/20/2024 1:02 PM CDT Wayne S via cctalk wrote: In the vt100, setup menu “B” had an interlace on or off setting. I just looked it up. That is almost certainly setting what type of signal is generated. Like a TV of the same era,

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On 05/20/2024 1:02 PM CDT Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > > > In the vt100, setup menu “B” had an interlace on or off setting. > I just looked it up. > > That is almost certainly setting what type of signal is generated. Like a TV of the same era, the monitor (display) portion doesn't care;

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
The setup on the earlier monitors was sometimes call “ODB” , don‘t know why. Was equivalent to setup. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2024, at 11:02, Wayne S wrote: > > In the vt100, setup menu “B” had an interlace on or off setting. > I just looked it up. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
In the vt100, setup menu “B” had an interlace on or off setting. I just looked it up. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2024, at 10:51, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > >  > >> On May 20, 2024, at 1:37 PM, Wayne S via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> Young , hah. No i’m old 70. >> The pc monitors,

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 20, 2024, at 1:37 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > > Young , hah. No i’m old 70. > The pc monitors, not Tv, always had a setup menu. Even the Vt100 series let > you choose interlace if you needed. VT100? I don't think so. And yes, it has a setup menu, but that's setup of the term

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 11:13:38AM -0500, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: [...] > many games and entry pcs with old style tv analog format, don't interlace, > and tube TVs nearly all (except maybe a few late model high end ones?) are > fine with that, but I seem to recall that most or all digital/fla

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Young , hah. No i’m old 70. The pc monitors, not Tv, always had a setup menu. Even the Vt100 series let you choose interlace if you needed. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2024, at 10:06, CAREY SCHUG wrote: > > Wayne, you must be one of those thirty-something techies from another thread. >

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
Wayne, you must be one of those thirty-something techies from another thread. for those of us in our 60s and 70s, setup mode? huh? old TVs and monitors were purely analog. No on-screen displays and non-volatile memory bytes for setup. adjustments for size and position were rheostats. i

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
IIRC, didn’t most older pc monitors have a setup mode where one of the options was interlace or non-interlace. Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2024, at 09:35, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > I think you have that backwards. > > TVs use interlace. Older PC displays may do so, or not;

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
I think you have that backwards. TVs use interlace. Older PC displays may do so, or not; typically the 480 line format was not interlaced but there might be high resolution modes that were. The reason was to deal with bandwidth limitations. Flat panel displays normally support a pile of input

[cctalk] Re: interlace [was: NTSC TV demodulator ]

2024-05-20 Thread CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
This may have been covered before, VERY early in this tread. I think I tried a game on a flatscreen, and had issues. I don't know if it applies to the radio shack Color Computer, the interest of the original poster. many games and entry pcs with old style tv analog format, don't interlace, and