On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 03:56, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Besides, most of us had solidified our wrong perspectives and incorrect
> beliefs and assumptiond long before Wikipedia came along.
Ha! Excellent. Well said.
As it happens I'm trying to do a quick retrospective for El Reg right
now,
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From: Sellam Abraham
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 2:16 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: [cctalk] Re: The MAC at 40
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 2:04 PM Andrew Diller via cctalk <
<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org&g
> On Jan 24, 2024, at 7:12 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> LoL oops. Strike my comment!
Maybe leave unstruck this part though!
> We should all support
> our fellow vintage computer historians, I know he put a lot of time into
> it.
I've seen parts of the documentary already, and i
and we can all stop copy and pastin from wikipedia to act like we know what
we're talking about.
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
You keep saying this. Why? It's rather childish. Most of my knowledge
comes from personal interest (I wrote a Smalltalk VM in the late 80's),
f
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 6:27 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
and we can all stop copy and pastin from wikipedia to act like we know what
> we're talking about.
>
You keep saying this. Why? It's rather childish. Most of my knowledge
comes from personal interest (I wro
and, of course, with anything that people caan get too close to, you will
get "blind men and the elephant" discrepancies between any two accounts of
the event.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
David Greelish's upcoming documentary has interviews of the people involved
with the original project, and the subject of Xerox and all that is pretty
well covered. I got a preview of the documentary, wait for it to come
out.my Lisa is at 1hr13 mins in...This is an important documentary
becaus
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 5:29 PM Chris Hanson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Apple didn't "steal" anything because
> .
>
I can't believe people still don't have a solid grasp of these things after
> 40 years of both journalism and academia covering them in rather exhaustive
> deta
Apple didn't "steal" anything because Xerox received a tranche of pre-IPO Apple
shares in exchange for allowing SJ and his folks to visit PARC for a bunch of
demos and do whatever they wanted with what they saw.
Nowadays you can also try out systems like Smalltalk-78, Xerox ViewPoint, etc.
as w
Well, if you compare a complete Mac, with a complete PC, including
comparable hardware and software, they actually came out close to even!
BUT, if you compare a complete Mac with an absolutley bare 5150PC, and
shop for reasonable prices on RAM, drives, monitor, etc., with shareware
software and
I know a great deal of writings by techno-historians, computer-industry
experts and technology enthusiasts concerning the Apple Mac, and now 40
years old, have covered this topic both on and off the net. Unlike
originally stated I now feel that the MAC was an important change agent in
regards to t
LoL oops. Strike my comment!
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:09 PM Tony Jones via cctalk
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 3:58 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > You all should check out David Greelish's new documentary on the Mac.
> >
>
> Sounds good except it's not abo
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 3:58 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> You all should check out David Greelish's new documentary on the Mac.
>
Sounds good except it's not about the Mac. It's called "Before Macintosh:
The Apple Lisa documentary"
It just happens to be (finally)
You all should check out David Greelish's new documentary on the Mac. It
just came out today or it just about to be released. We should all support
our fellow vintage computer historians, I know he put a lot of time into
it. David has been writing about the Mac's significance before Wikipedia
ev
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 02:16:44 PM PST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
[...]
> But basically, Jobs never stole anything. He was pretty much invited to
> take a look, and then entered into some sort of exclusivity deal (I may be
> wrong about this detail) to use Xerox tech. Xer
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 2:16 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> But basically, Jobs never stole anything. He was pretty much invited to
> take a look, and then entered into some sort of exclusivity deal (I may be
> wrong about this detail) to use Xerox tech. Xerox u
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 2:04 PM Andrew Diller wrote:
> I think now anyone that wants to look a bit more closely
>
Hardly a unique situation. Often the story that persists in the mainstream
isn't the most accurate.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 2:04 PM Andrew Diller via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I think now anyone that wants to look a bit more closely has a much better
> idea and context about what caused the Birth of the Mac. That story of
> "stolen from PARC" IMHO is just weak writing back when th
I think now anyone that wants to look a bit more closely has a much better idea
and context about what caused the Birth of the Mac. That story of "stolen from
PARC" IMHO is just weak writing back when the Internet didn't have the info it
has today which gives full context over what was going on.
> On 25 Jan 2024, at 08:21, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:53 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA.
>> Not sure that it really changed computing though! Fina
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA.
Not sure that it really changed computing though! Financially it didn't
help Apple until after 1997 and Gate's investment.
Although they still needed help, the Mac
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:53 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA.
> Not sure that it really changed computing though! Financially it didn't
> help Apple until after 1997 and Gate's investment.
>
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