On Thursday, April 10th, 2025 at 09:43, Tony Duell via cctalk
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> I've been chatting to one of the latter. She has no idea who made the
> lock or what blank would fit it. It's possible I'll chance upon a
> locksmith's shop that recognises it.
I reached out to a few colleagues to see if t
On Thursday, April 10th, 2025 at 08:58, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Tony has removed the lock.
> It is not a keyway that a regular locksmith would have the right blank!
It's more likely than you might think. As USian locks go, it's kind of weird.
As eurolocks
go, it's not all that unusu
On Wednesday, April 9th, 2025 at 17:06, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> But Tony has already removed the lock. Either by picking it to open the
> case, or coming in through the back of the case. Locks on computer cases
> offer extremely little security. However, 4 pin/tumbler sets would make
T
> On Apr 7, 2025, at 4:05 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
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> On Mon, 7 Apr 2025, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote:
>> > > Can you post a picture of what you can see?
>> > Can't post photos here,
>> Tony and I assembled a page of photos, which can be found here:
>> https://yagi.h-net.org/phili
On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 4:43 PM Walter Belgers via cctalk
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> Hi,
>
> > On 8 Apr 2025, at 09:17, Adrian Godwin via cctalk
> > wrote:
> > Maybe Toool would be a good place to ask
>
> I've already sent a mail off-list. I am the former president of Toool and
> organiser of LockCon for many y
Then there's impressioning, a technique very suitable to create a working key
from a key blank.
In the 1970s, I had to do a fair amount of that.
But, Honda at that time had numbers on the keys. So, if the customer
locked their keys in the car, with good eyes, you could look through the
windo
On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 11:34, Dennis Boone via cctalk
wrote:
> Tony and I assembled a page of photos, which can be found here:
> https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/
Thank you very much! That's very helpful.
> Opine away!
Yep, paracentric keyway. Annoying but not impossible.
I have a good friend who is a "proper" locksmith, I could ask him if it would
help?
Regards
Rob
On 10 April 2025 19:43:16 GMT+03:00, Tony Duell via cctalk
wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 5:37 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>> Tony has removed the lock.
>> It is not a keyway that a regul
On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 5:37 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Tony has removed the lock.
> It is not a keyway that a regular locksmith would have the right blank!
Certainly not in the UK. There are 2 types of 'lockswiths' over here.
The ones that cut common house/car keys (and who for some odd
On Thu, 10 Apr 2025, dwight via cctalk wrote:
Once you have the lock off you can take it to a locksmith and have a new made.
That is what I did for my computer.
Dwight
Tony has removed the lock.
It is not a keyway that a regular locksmith would have the right blank!
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch
On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 3:02 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> But Tony has already removed the lock. Either by picking it to open the
> case, or coming in through the back of the case. Locks on computer cases
> offer extremely little
On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 3:02 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> But Tony has already removed the lock. Either by picking it to open the
> case, or coming in through the back of the case. Locks on computer cases
> offer extremely little security.
To make some reference to a classic computer here
Lishi tools can decode the bitting. Surprised the locksmith did not use them.
Just need to identify the keyway style.
https://covertinstruments.com/collections/lishi-tools
Tony said that the plug slides forward and back, with a spring behind it.
With that setup, four cutes is likely to work, since you slide the key
and plug further back for the offset position.
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025, The Doctor via cctalk wrote:
The photos of the plug, of the dorsal surface, show th
On Wednesday, April 9th, 2025 at 00:08, Walter Belgers via cctalk
wrote:
> Then there's impressioning, a technique very suitable to create a working key
> from a key blank.
That's why I brought up the prospect of making some key blanks. If a blank was
made from just
soft enough metal it co
On Tuesday, April 8th, 2025 at 19:49, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> I am guessing that Tony has enough skill milling, that a dremel would not
> be much quicker or easier.
Quite likely. Not knowing anything about folks' extended skillsets around here
(staying
on topic does that) I can only
On Tuesday, April 8th, 2025 at 20:17, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Tony said that the plug slides forward and back, with a spring behind it.
> With that setup, four cutes is likely to work, since you slide the key
> and plug further back for the offset position.
The photos of the plug, of t
On Tuesday, April 8th, 2025 at 20:01, Doc Shipley via cctalk
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> I'm deep in the Texas boondocks, but Skype is a thing. :-)
As are Zoom and Signal.
It would be wild if you were where I grew up for a while in Texas as a kid.
Small world
and all that.
> I do hope y'all keep posting pro
On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 6:17 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
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> > On Apr 8, 2025, at 10:26 PM, The Doctor via cctalk
> > wrote:
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> > On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 13:05, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> > wrote:
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> >> although time consuming, and requiring som moderate machining skill, t
> On Apr 8, 2025, at 10:26 PM, The Doctor via cctalk
> wrote:
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> On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 13:05, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
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>> although time consuming, and requiring som moderate machining skill, that
>> looks like it shouldn't be an extreme problem to make a blank.
>> I ass
On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 8:17 AM Walter Belgers via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > On 9 Apr 2025, at 05:28, Tony Duell via cctalk
> wrote:
> > It wouldn't (and in my limited experience 3D printed plastic parts are
> > weaker than plastic parts machines from solid anyway). It takes
> > c
> On 9 Apr 2025, at 05:28, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
> It wouldn't (and in my limited experience 3D printed plastic parts are
> weaker than plastic parts machines from solid anyway). It takes
> considerable torque to turn the camshaft in certain positions.
They are, but 3D-printed keys could e
On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 02:07, Tony Duell via cctalk
wrote:
> However the key/blank is a rather odd shape and I have nothing that
> will fit in the keyway of the lock.
How likely do you think it would be for someone to machine the right
kind of blanks out of stock? Or possibly existing
On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 3:22 AM The Doctor via cctalk
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> Before I saw the photographs I would have guessed that the three sets of
> tumbler
> stacks would all be pinned identically. In terms of manufacture and
> maintenance it
> would be both easiest and cost effective. But.
>
> Photogra
On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 4:07 AM The Doctor via cctalk
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> I don't know where the unit is, and I'm in the States. If you'd be on the
> west coast at some point I'd love to geek out over metalworking and lock
> parts over coffee some time.
The lock (and I) are in SE London, England. I think t
On Tuesday, April 8th, 2025 at 19:30, Doc Shipley via cctalk
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> You need precise (to your spec of precise - I don't know how much "slop"
> is too much for a key) measurements of the overall thickness and width,
> length, and the depth and width of each groove.
I'm not a machinist (defin
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025, The Doctor via cctalk wrote:
My thinking was the former - one key cut for five pin stacks, but only
four would be used by a given position.
Tony said that the plug slides forward and back, with a spring behind it.
With that setup, four cutes is likely to work, since you slid
> How likely do you think it would be for someone to machine the right
> kind of blanks out of stock? Or possibly existing key blanks that
> just need a few extra cuts on the sides?
It's really not going to be necessary to machine blanks. Download "Key
Blank Directory - Edition: 13" from here
On 4/8/25 21:41, The Doctor via cctalk wrote:
I don't know where the unit is, and I'm in the States. If you'd be on the
west coast at some point I'd love to geek out over metalworking and lock
parts over coffee some time.
I'm deep in the Texas boondocks, but Skype is a thing. :-)
I do hope
although time consuming, and requiring som moderate machining skill, that
looks like it shouldn't be an extreme problem to make a blank.
I assume that Tony has, or has access to, a precision milling machine.
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025, The Doctor via cctalk wrote:
It might not even need an automill. A
On Tuesday, April 8th, 2025 at 00:17, Adrian Godwin via cctalk
wrote:
> They do run a LockCon but it appears to be in October and costs around 360
> Euro plus accommodation. So, an expensive route to find a key.
> The UK organisation run a monthly meeting at FizzPop in Birmingham which
> is mo
On 4/8/25 21:14, The Doctor via cctalk wrote:
Would it be feasible to cut a couple of key blanks out of metal plate? Maybe
metal
strips?
Meant to add that if you go this route, a dozen of each blank shouldn't
cost much more than one. The cost of making them is mostly in the
design and th
On 4/8/25 21:14, The Doctor via cctalk wrote:
Would it be feasible to cut a couple of key blanks out of metal plate? Maybe
metal
strips?
(I'm a CAD designer, have experience in machine shops and have done
custom metal fabrication off & on for almost 50 years)
Entirely feasible, and expen
On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 13:05, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> although time consuming, and requiring som moderate machining skill, that
> looks like it shouldn't be an extreme problem to make a blank.
> I assume that Tony has, or has access to, a precision milling machine.
It might not
On Monday, April 7th, 2025 at 12:24, Paul Koning via cctalk
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> > https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/
>
> It looks like a Lips lock, which would make sense for a Dutch computer.
I had some parts of me go looking around, and the keyway reminds me a bit of an
EVVA Euro cylinder, pe
On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 5:33 PM Paul Koning wrote:
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> > On Apr 8, 2025, at 12:06 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk
> > wrote:
> >
> > ...
> > I think there is only one key. The lock is somewhat unsual though.
> >
> > There are 4 pins in the plug (the rotating part). There are 3
> > positions of the
> On Apr 8, 2025, at 12:06 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> I think there is only one key. The lock is somewhat unsual though.
>
> There are 4 pins in the plug (the rotating part). There are 3
> positions of the lock and the key is removeable in all 3. There are
> therefore 3 set
Hi,
> On 8 Apr 2025, at 09:17, Adrian Godwin via cctalk
> wrote:
> Maybe Toool would be a good place to ask
I've already sent a mail off-list. I am the former president of Toool and
organiser of LockCon for many years. And co-writer of the book about Locksport
:)
I can create a key, if need
Maybe Toool would be a good place to ask
https://toool.nl/Toool
They do run a LockCon but it appears to be in October and costs around 360
Euro plus accommodation. So, an expensive route to find a key.
The UK organisation run a monthly meeting at FizzPop in Birmingham which
is more accessible but
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 9:05 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> although time consuming, and requiring som moderate machining skill, that
> looks like it shouldn't be an extreme problem to make a blank.
> I assume that Tony has, or has access to, a precision milling machine.
It would take a long t
> On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:34 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk
> wrote:
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>>> Can you post a picture of what you can see?
>
>> Can't post photos here,
>
> Tony and I assembled a page of photos, which can be found here:
>
> https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/
It looks like a Lips lock, which
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote:
> > Can you post a picture of what you can see?
> Can't post photos here,
Tony and I assembled a page of photos, which can be found here:
https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/
Opine away!
although time consuming, and requiring som moderate
Did you look on easykeys.com?
They say that if you send pix they might be able to identify the blank.
Easykeys.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:34, Dennis Boone via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> Can you post a picture of what you can see?
>
>> Can't post photos here,
>
> Tony
> > Can you post a picture of what you can see?
> Can't post photos here,
Tony and I assembled a page of photos, which can be found here:
https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/
Opine away!
De
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025, donald donaldwhittemore.com via cctalk wrote:
Lishi tools can decode the bitting. Surprised the locksmith did not use them.
Just need to identify the keyway style.
https://covertinstruments.com/collections/lishi-tools
Tony has been unable to find a blank that fits the key
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 6:27 AM Van Snyder via cctalk
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> On Mon, 2025-04-07 at 04:23 +0100, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
> > use a
> > blank to lift the pins so I can 'shim' it from the rear. Push out the
> > plug with the follower, remove and measure the lower pins, then cut a
> > key.
>
>
On Mon, 2025-04-07 at 04:23 +0100, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
> use a
> blank to lift the pins so I can 'shim' it from the rear. Push out the
> plug with the follower, remove and measure the lower pins, then cut a
> key.
If you have a key that fits but doesn't turn, putting in new pins for
that
On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 10:02 PM The Doctor via cctalk
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> On Sunday, April 6th, 2025 at 11:04, Tony Duell via cctalk
> wrote:
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> > Does anyone know anything about the key lock on the mains on/off
> > switch of the P3800?
> >
> > I have one without a key. I can't identify the lock manuf
On Sunday, April 6th, 2025 at 11:04, Tony Duell via cctalk
wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about the key lock on the mains on/off
> switch of the P3800?
>
> I have one without a key. I can't identify the lock manufacturer (no
> markings on it at all) so I've not been able to get a blank to
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