On Fri, Jun 20, 2025, 2:09 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
> I'm always puzzled by "local only" offers. It's expected that shipping
> costs get added, but why would a seller make a decision that shipping is
> "too expensive"? Logically the buyer should decide that, and if the buyer
> will pay
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 2:08 PM ben via cctalk wrote:
>
> But open source should have fixed versions, if possible.
>
I'm not really sure what this means.Most open source projects have
defined release versions.
I might not want the latest C standard.
>
For gcc this is what --std is for.T
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 12:45 PM Alexander Schreiber via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 07:08:32PM -, Donald Whittemore via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On top of that: A lot of those LLMs are build on theft at an epically large
> scale. They hovered up everything in si
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 12:51 PM Donald Whittemore via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> If I don’t have the code expertise or compiling capability how do I know
> the executable is safe?
>
How do you know a closed-source executable is safe? Hackers have
installed vulnerabilities into
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 12:42 PM Donald Whittemore via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> If I am not proficient in the source language or have the ability to
> create my own executable I don’t see how open source is ‘safer’ for the
> average Joe or app.
>
I'm not seeing what *your* abiliti
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:25 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 2025, at 2:08 PM, Donald Whittemore via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I am an old mainframe guy. I could give you my COBOL deck of cards or
> the compile listing. You could p
On Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 3:14 PM Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> They SHOULD have started with a clean sheet, of course.
I guess the iAPX 432 wasn't sufficiently "clean sheet" :-)
On Sat, Nov 16, 2024, 3:48 PM Mike Katz wrote:
> The IAPX432 came out the same year that the IBM PC came out which was 3
> years after the 8086
I'm fairly sure design work on the 432 began first.
On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, 7:52 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
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> "Legal tender for all debts public or private", but they don't take it!
>
Correct, they don't, so there never was a debt.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 2:41 PM Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2024, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote:
>
> > this is linux, right? so I could have one be kde, one gnome and maybe a
> third xfce? might try playing with it someday, or good if I want to
>
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024, 10:14 PM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I remember using 3.1, 4.0, and 2000. As I recall, I loved the stability
> of 3.1, but the UI was old and outdated, especially when 95 came out.
> 4.0 offered the nicer UI, but the driver situation was still a problem,
I forget at w
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 5:28 PM Ali via cctalk wrote:
> > seller.* While some categories are excluded from eIS, there is
> > absolutely positively no reason for US sellers to not sell abroad the
> > majority of categories with it.
>
> Except cost, time, and of course poor tracking. I haven't used
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 2:10 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Postal rates between countries have long be determined by treaty. Used
> to be the IPU (International Postal Union), but is now the UPU
> (Universal Postal Union), which is an agency within the UN. The general
> idea is for postal
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 10:31 AM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Grow up.
>
There is zero need to get personal. Please stop. Ditto for the earlier
"does not know what he's talking about" comment.
>
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024, 10:18 AM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> I put the same disclaimer in my listings. However, it is for naught, as
> eBay steps in and applies its own equity based on various factors, so stuff
> can and has been returned with refunds even when the
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 2:03 PM Ali via cctalk
wrote:
> a seller who has 100% rating (for whatever that is worth as ratings are
> very much manipulated by sellers and eBay).
>
This is very true. It's very hard to leave negative feedback that a seller
can't get removed (if they try).
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 1:56 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 6/27/24 13:11, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
> > I see so many sellers listing stuff as "used" with poor photos and often
> > some "as-is" disclaimer in the text bod
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:53 PM Ali via cctalk
wrote:
> > Hogwash. I have attempted many times to sell stuff on ebay. Even at
> > the suggestion of people I would have thought were potential buyers.
> > To date, I have sold nothing. I once went back to the list that
> > suggested I use ebay t
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 4:23 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> I can't. Dude had virtually limitless money and couldn't hire an estate
> planner to take care of it?
>
Who knows the details. I see a lot of assumptions being thrown out.
I am a bit skeptical of the
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:53 AM Alan Perry via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
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> What I want to know is whether they even tried to keep the museum intact
> and fork off a foundation to run it like MoPOP and Flying Heritage.
>
I was curious on this too. It seems his entire estate is be
On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 5:11 PM Jonathan Chapman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > Standard TTL 74XXX is drying up rather quickly. Futurlec still has some
> > TTL but 7404s are all gone. Even LS is hard to find.
>
> Ours comes from Mouser, between two part #s they have over 7,000 74LS
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 6:27 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
and we can all stop copy and pastin from wikipedia to act like we know what
> we're talking about.
>
You keep saying this. Why? It's rather childish. Most of my knowledge
comes from personal interest (I wro
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 5:29 PM Chris Hanson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Apple didn't "steal" anything because
> .
>
I can't believe people still don't have a solid grasp of these things after
> 40 years of both journalism and academia covering them in rather exhaustive
> deta
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 3:58 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> You all should check out David Greelish's new documentary on the Mac.
>
Sounds good except it's not about the Mac. It's called "Before Macintosh:
The Apple Lisa documentary"
It just happens to be (finally)
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 2:16 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> But basically, Jobs never stole anything. He was pretty much invited to
> take a look, and then entered into some sort of exclusivity deal (I may be
> wrong about this detail) to use Xerox tech. Xerox u
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 2:04 PM Andrew Diller wrote:
> I think now anyone that wants to look a bit more closely
>
Hardly a unique situation. Often the story that persists in the mainstream
isn't the most accurate.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:53 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA.
> Not sure that it really changed computing though! Financially it didn't
> help Apple until after 1997 and Gate's investment.
>
On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 12:48 PM osi.superboard via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
In case of interest, pls send me a PM.
>
replied to you off-list.
I'd like to get an ISA based transputer card. Something with multiple
cpus (so not the B004).
A B008 or one of the clones that accepts multiple TRAM modules would be
ideal (https://www.geekdot.com/inmos-b008)
It doesn't have to be TRAM. I saw this multi-cpu board on ebay.ie but a)
it's more th
On Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 9:27 PM Glen Slick via cctalk
wrote:
>
> , the maximum
> supported resolution on an external monitor is 1600x1200, but at 75Hz,
> which isn't supported by all monitors.
>
I just did some research on what LCDs could handle 75hz at 1600*1200 and
bought one (HP) used off eBay.
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 3:44 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> And so on. Am I looking in the wrong spot?
>
No but you need to look longer and as I said prices are all over the
place. I see resellers asking for $1500-2000.Do a sold items search
and track the
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 12:05 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I've seen a lot of posts at the EEVblog and it seems I missed possibly the
> golden age of 16700 LA by a few years price-wise.
>
Also unsure what you mean by this. I wouldn't pay more than $150 for an
e
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Alan Perry via cctalk
wrote:
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> Oooh. I am in the Seattle area and have been thinking that I need a LA.
>
> alan
I'm in Portland OR I have one 16702B and one 16700B for sale.As Glen
says, an external monitor is really nice. There are a few modern LCDs that
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:48 AM Steven Stengel via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I want to buy an old computer from a guy I don’t know in Houston (I’ll pay
> shipping to CA), but it’s a lot of money, and I don’t want to lose it -
> what are my options?
> Thanks-
> Steve.
>
What do yo
On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:47 AM William Sudbrink via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Is there a list member in Japan or soon traveling to Japan? I want to
> acquire something (not really vintage computer related) and the seller does
> not take paypal and I can't get funds to them.
>
Can
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 2:03 PM Mike Stein via cctalk
wrote:
> I think you might be surprised by how many people still have to use
> dial-up;
>
obviously it still exists, a 1 sec Google search shows that:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/185532/us-household-dial-up-internet-connection-usage-
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:31 PM ben via cctalk wrote:
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> True, until the last few years, I was on dial up speeds.
>
I think you may be an outlier ;-)
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:06 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
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> Downloading the latest FreeBSD ISO in less than a week? :-)
>
I took the question as more "why do you need a gigabit"?
Comcast had kept slowly bumping us up over the term of several contracts,
from 60
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM ben via cctalk
wrote:
> On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
> speed internet needed for?
> Ben.
>
I do development that involves pulling large SCS trees, lots of fetching o
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 3:39 PM Tom Hunter via cctalk
wrote:
> This is not the forum to ask MS Windows questions.
>
Chris. Can I ask you stop and consider if you really need to post/reply.
Not every thought that enters ones head needs to be translated into a list
posting It feels like a stream
On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 11:46 AM Jim Brain via cctalk
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> Looks like a few tools will do so:
>
>
> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/a-way-to-convert-imd-to-img.1237774/post-1246165
>
> You just need to get the IMD to be an IMG file, and then GW will create
> the flux and timing in
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 5:14 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 1/23/23 10:04 AM, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
> > The issue is that Gmail filtering isn't great at filtering the list,
> > the way it's setup. A lot of people use it. C
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 10:10 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Personally, I like trackpads. But my wife doesn't. And clearly there are
> lots of opinions. Pick what you like, don't be surprised if others have
> different preferences.
>
I love my Kensington Expert
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 12:51 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Tony Jones wrote:
> > No but I wish the list was configured differently so From: was the actual
> > sender with a Reply-To of the list. Plus of course ListId:
> >
> > Right now From: is
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 8:37 AM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
>
> In the spirit of the original thought, though, where I find myself
> scratching my head are the folks who have replaced every IC on their
> vintage system with an aftermarket FPGA "equivalent" (loosely used
> here).
People do all ki
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 6:38 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> To each his own. My interest is not in museum pieces that stand on a shelf
>
> and look pretty. I like to actually work with them. Mechanical disk
> drives
>
> are so old today they are prone to con
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023, 9:28 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
>
> This is a huge improvement over the STM32F107 used on these originally.
> 288MHz, lots of flash 384KB SRAM.
>
But that AT32F435 in the new Gotek points to being able to do more than
> simply emulate a floppy. Definitely everything
Do us a favor, if your going to reply in a rather snarky disrespectful tone
at least put your actual name on the message envelope.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 9:12 AM geneb via cctalk
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
>
> I would love to see your equivalent hardware, hand s
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 10:18 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Since the switchover I am getting more and more of my messages
> rejected as suspected SPAM. Anyone else seeing this?
>
No but I wish the list was configured differently so From: was the actual
sender w
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 10:18 PM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
>
> cheaper than KryoFLux (I believe it was designed as a rebuttal for the
> high priced and "walled garden" nature of KryoFlux) or other related
> projects like DiscFerret and/or discontinued solutions like CatWeazel
> (which was a plug
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 9:55 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> My catweasel 4, which I assume is more or less the same thing works fine in
> a p3 pentium system. Is the hreaseweazle totally different?
>
The above is a PCI card, no? From early 2000s?
The grease weasel is - as already stated - U
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 9:14 PM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Maybe 5170 means something different to everyone else here than it does
> to me (I thought it meant IBM PC AT), but GW requires a machine capable
> of USB, and I think the system needs to run either a recent version of
> Windows or L
This is an interesting article on Kryoflux. GreaseWeazle is basically an
open-source equivalent.
http://practicaltechnologyforarchives.org/issue2_waugh
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 7:00 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> @ Fred
>
> I remember Chuck making reference to "a" Squid some time ago. It turn
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:49 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> Ok. So it's ultimately superior to using s/w alone.
>
I have no idea what you're asking here. If you're tired, this thread
will still be here tomorrow :)
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:36 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> If we're talking about the same diskimage program, I thought it ran under
> MS/PC-DOS?
>
Do you mean imagedisk? It's still talking to the drive via the PC's disk
controller.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:23 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> Does it read a disk better then say Diskimage can?
It depends on what DiskImage is running on. There is presumably an OS and
drivers between it and the raw media.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:27 PM Paul Koning wrote:
>
>
> I don't think I'm picking an argument. All I meant to do is observe that
> the classic computing community is a large group with a massive amount of
> knowledge,
>
ok but they did achieve a successful resolution. i hope if they had
be
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:13 PM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> True. But if it is known to be a DEC (RX50) disk, reading it from Linux
> is a well known standard thing to do. I have been doing it for more than
> 20 years, with RSTSFLX (writing, too). Standard PC flop
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 5:52 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> That bwas a good price I think.
>
Yes, just imagine all the cool things you could do with it :-)
On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 5:07 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> 2 x 16" Trinitrons, missing rear plastic covers
>
> 1 is a 98789a 64hkz, forget the other, 48khz
>
> 1 x 19" large rectangular color unit, doesn't work.
>
> I'll be tossing these before very long.
>
How about specifying your geographic lo
On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 12:39 PM Wayne S via cctalk
wrote:
> It says “shipping available” on the ad. I’ve had a lot of experience with
> hibid sellers and when they say shipping available it either means they
> will package and ship themselves or drop it off at the ups store and let
> ups contac
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 7:56 PM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
> "Build the PT-68K"
> Oct 1987 and Nov 1987 and Dec 1987 and Jan 1988 and Feb 1988 and Apr
> 1988 and May 1988 and Jun 1988 and Jul 1988 and Aug 1988 and Sept 1988
> and Dec 1988 and Jan 1989
>
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 7:57 PM Will Coo
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 7:04 PM Will Cooke via cctalk
wrote:
> http://peripheraltech.com/PT68K2
$399-450. Ouch. Too bad there aren't open-source Gerbers as I have most
of the parts for this knocking around.
>
>
>
>
> > On 12/27/2022 8:58 PM CST Jim Brain via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 1
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 5:05 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I won't claim to be a better man than you, but,
> 45 some years ago, there were rattle cans of "krinkle finish" sold in auto
> parts stores. Looked OK for valve covers.
>
A wrinkle finish isn't what I thought this was about. Plu
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 4:59 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> You can buy that in a spray can at the hardware store. I've used it before
> for some of the replicas I've built. It works great.
>
If you can achieve a textured finish using a rattle can you'
Have you ever tried to fix textured drywall or lathe/plaster? It's always
down to playing with various settings and trial/error if you want to match
a specific finish. These coatings facilitate a texture but they won't do
it for you. If you apply at a high pressure they're not going to do
anyth
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:41 PM Tony Jones wrote:
>
> Polane and Raptor are urethenes. Usually catalyzed.
>
https://industrial.sherwin-williams.com/na/us/en/general-industrial/catalog/product/products-by-industry.11543145/polane-t-polyurethane-enamel.9197969.html
"Widely used for coating busin
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:38 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I don't know specifically about the IBM PC, but I think what you're
> describing is powder coating.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating
Powder coating is just a durable finish.
Traditionally Polane was used. (Sherwin Williams)
Raptor is similar.I had a long discussion with their rep along the
lines of "ok, but how much is the paint and how much is the application".
It turns out it's a bit of both.
Obviously you're not going to get texture with a very high pressure
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
> If old 8 bits are fun, older 12 bits are even more fun (50% more fun by
> word size).
>
What about VLIW?Not that many places to discuss Itanic these days :)
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 10:03 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> Why?
b/c Old people are a bit like old computers? Starting to slowly break down?
Usually when I see such crankiness there is a ham call sign present :-)
Traffic on the list is so low I'm not seeing the issue.I'm also not
seeing complaints about threads being off topic.Seems like solution
seeking a problem.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 8:28 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> cc
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:13 PM Mike Loewen via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I'm going to play the old fogey card and suggest that we should use a
> specific year as a cutoff, rather than a floating limit. Something like
> 1986,
> or possibly a little later. As has been mentioned, there are many other
> o
On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 6:46 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> It's just not in there.
>
i couldn't see it either. I figured before someone posted a link they'd
have watched it. If it is there, provide the timestamp.
On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 4:46 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> What an obnoxious show. It's just Antiques Roadshow but with bad dialogue
> and annoying personalities.
Sure but most Fox News viewers are unable to tune their TVs into PBS, so
they need an alternativ
It's an ugly poster imo. Useful info on price in case I ever see one at a
garage sale but that's about it :-)
On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 6:35 PM David Williams via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 12/10/2022 7:18 PM, Don R via cctalk wrote:
> > I’m surprised no one has scanned one for
I recently bought an Alacron FT200-AT dual i860 card. Basically the
earlier ISA version of this:
http://www.alacron.org/clientuploads/FT-200-PCI.PDF
It included two manuals but no software. Alacron seems still in business
but they didn't reply to email. I've called twice and noone answers thei
I attended Queen Mary College from 86-89. They had just received several
dozen MG1s. I believe the WCW founders came from QMC.
By the final year a good 1/4 we're non-functional as the keyboards has
failed and by then WCW has gone bankrupt a second time (for good). I
remember one the programmers
A bit off topic but I'm curious if anyone has any technical information on
Animatics motion controllers.Animatics was based in (Santa Clara) in
the 1990s. They were bought by Moog sometime around 2000 and all the old
info was thrown out.
A support engineer working for Moog (who had worked fo
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