[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

Apologies for the off-topic. On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 at 15:34, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: > I got a government official to give me the legal definition and > published it on wikipedia, quoting the official source. > Was it Measurement Canada's complaint form? Because they - that is, Measurem

Re: PMI memory on an -11/93 (Was: Installing an operating system on an 11/83)

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 16:10, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: > half populated with memory. I don’t think you can add memory > externally. But I might be wrong … > You are not wrong. From the KDJ11-E module user's guide (on BitSavers) the solder-side of the CD fingers is left unpopulated, but for

Re: PDT11/150 supported in RT11 5.7?

>From the freshly installed RT-11 v5.7 disk image I have available to me: .type pd.mac .MCALL .MODULE .MODULE PD,VERSION=09,COMMENT=,AUDIT=YES On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 14:44, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote: > I was just reading the RT 11 5.7 documentation the other day and noticed the > mention

Re: IEEE-488 on the PDP-11

On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 at 16:27, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > Fun card. Thanks for starting this thread. I have one too (came with > my MINC-11) and I have experience with IEEE-488 from my many hours > spent with Commodore PETs. > Hmm now that I'm reminded that a large proportion of Commodore's

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 21:32, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: > As for operating system support, the only DEC operating system which could put > tapes and disks on the same Massbus was TOPS-20. Tops-10 explicitly tells you > in the SYSGEN process that disks and tapes must reside on different chan

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 09:27, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > I learned it about 15 years ago (OpenAPL, running on a Solaris workstation > with a modified Xterm that handled the APL characters). Nice. It made a > handy tool for some cryptanalysis programs I needed to write. > I am interested i

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 03:44, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > If it's in Roman, Cyrillic, or Greek, they're alphabets, so it's a letter. > Correct, Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic are alphabets, so each letter/character can be a consonant or vowel. > I can't read Arabic or Hebrew but I believe they're

Re: DEC PDP-14 Programmable Controller simulator

On 4 April 2017 at 20:21, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote: > I have written a PDP-14 simulator using the simh framework. Paired > with a PDP-8 simulator as a front end it passes all the DEC > diagnostics. A pointless effort, perhaps, because there isn't much > that can be done with it without con

Re: Full immersion emulation

I'm replying to the "top level" original message just to put some other comments in on "full immersion" emulation, without trampling over the discussions that are going on about the sound experience. On 1 March 2017 at 14:14, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > Part of the iconic mainframe exper

Re: For sale 128K Core RAM Industrial PDP 11/40 Massbus System

On 30 October 2016 at 18:09, Mike Ross wrote: > Unix? Probably a complete brain fart by me - but I thought Unix > required a machine with separate I/D spaces and the 11/40 wasn't one > of them? > V5 and V6 will run on an 11/40. I *think* but I might be wrong, that V5 doesn't support split I/D. >

Re: DEC bus transceivers

On 26 October 2016 at 10:02, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > BTW Why isn't there a separate list "ccbusinterfacechip" where those > recurring 8881 discussions can be separated from the more interesting stuff? > The discussion is enlightening. It would be nice, however, to summarize the various conclusi

Re: interesting ... look at both these HP desktops - style come to the computer!

On 17 September 2016 at 01:38, wrote: > look at both these HP desktops - style come to the computer! > If we're going to talk about "modern" computers... I'd like to direct the list to these YouTube videos by Clint, of the Lazy Game Reviews channel (is he on this list?): "Strangest Computer D

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

On 19 August 2016 at 10:31, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Now for the fun version. How do I do the same sort of thing but with DEC > hardware? > You mean host a website with DEC hardware? With a PDP-11: > Johnny Billquist has a lovely TCP/IP package for RSX-11/M+ which includes an > HTTP server if I re

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

On 13 August 2016 at 14:32, Don North wrote: > Like this maybe: http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/1174.jpg > Yes, exactly that one! Based on the rest of your e-mail I'm guessing it's yours, right? Any chance you could get a higher res scan of it? > This is a 'true' 11/74 panel from the never-producti

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

On 13 August 2016 at 08:07, Noel Chiappa wrote: > I can't recall any other models with front panels? (Well, the /74, but IIRC > there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want > some for simulators.) > The whole list of PDP-11 models with any sort of front panel beyond

Re: The Great TK revival

On 19 June 2016 at 12:11, Rod Smallwood wrote: > I'm sure there's an RT-11 TCP/IP around I have enough parts to extend the If you were unaware of it, here is an (the?) RT-11 TCP/IP package: Cheers, Christian -- Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove STCKON08DS0 Cont

Re: http://hackaday.com/2016/05/29/dragging-teletypes-into-the-21st-century

On 29 May 2016 at 20:15, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > Tangent: is it true as written that *all* "teletypes speak 5-bit ITA2 code > "? > As Ed, Jon, and Chuck said; no not *all* teletypes speak 5-bit code. The "most common" machines in the classic comp

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

On 14 May 2016 at 00:41, Chuck Guzis wrote: > It's not just LEDs, but intense "blue" LEDs. I'm starting to hate that > color. > Blue? That's so passé! Right now the popularity is to go full *RAINBOW!* with the RGB LEDs... Though yeah, intense blue is getting just a bit annoying; though I admit I

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

On 13 May 2016 at 22:06, william degnan wrote: > Today, who has a colorful case on their modern PC? If we exclude case modders, and people who build their own cases... Most "gaming" cases are slightly colourful. Still mostly one colour with highlights. Though the cases have very... interesting..

Re: Tape reader

On 11 May 2016 at 21:58, jwsmobile wrote: > http://retropcdesign.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6 Massively off-topic (sort of), but that tape reader is really quite similar to the functioning of the KOI-18 reader for loading keys into crypto devices. Link for those wanting to know what I'm b

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

On 29 April 2016 at 15:43, Chuck Guzis wrote: > I don't know what people do now. > The answer, apparently: Step 1: Install package manager of choice. Step 2: Create a blank project using the package manager and Framework X (which is the "in" thing this week). Step 3: Slap together two lines of co

Re: Calling all typographers

On 29 April 2016 at 02:11, Paul Birkel wrote: > http://miktex.org/pkg/az > > Wow, is that some list. In my era it was a *lot* shorter, by orders of > magnitude. The list does include these: > > miktex-metafont-baseMETAFONT base > miktex-metafont-bin-2.9 METAFFONT binaries >

Re: Calling all typographers

On 28 April 2016 at 13:05, Jon Elson wrote: > That should be available for most Linux distros. You should also be able to > get it on Windows, but might be a bit harder to find. > I believe the current easiest to get up and running TeX/LaTeX solution for Windows is MikTeX. I

Re: A fruitfull evening

On 12 April 2016 at 15:55, E. Groenenberg wrote: > First thing I did was to replace the gooed up rubber hammer, only to > find out that my replacements were also starting to deteriorate :( > (but still stiff enough to be usable for some print test). > I can either use a piece of hose or one of tho

Re: VMS/RSTS/RSX manuals available, SOC, DECdirect books, Newmarket UK

On 11 March 2016 at 06:46, Adrian Graham wrote: > We're refitting the last unrefitted office here and there's a full bookcase > of grey heading for the skip unless anyone wants to take them away? Must > admit in the 12 years I've worked here I didn't realise there was a shelf > of RSTS manuals! >

Re: Recovery adventure - Re: Unidentified DEC gear available, NSW-AU

On 2 March 2016 at 17:50, wrote: > The I/O for the machine was (I believe) an ASR-35 the bigger brother to the > ASR-33. I couldn't take it, it was > wedged in behind the other racks and I had only a limited amount of time to > load the equipment before I had to > head back interstate to home.

Re: 10 forgotten wonders of 1980s homes

On 30 December 2015 at 01:34, Chuck Guzis wrote: > I'm not entirely sure, but I think the local stuff was type 4XB. At any > rate, I could punch in a DTMF number and listen for the dialing sequence to > be complete before the first ring could be heard. > #4/#4A crossbar is *not* a local switch. I

Re: 10 forgotten wonders of 1980s homes

On 30 December 2015 at 01:25, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > okay, this is _really interesting_. Where can I read more? Another list member provided a good document archive, there's also Sam Etler's site which has other documents: I'll point you specifically towards Western Elect

Re: 10 forgotten wonders of 1980s homes

On 29 December 2015 at 20:15, Chuck Guzis wrote: > It was particularly amusing that in the heart of Silicon Valley in the > 1980s, Pacific Telephone still had many of its exchanges outfitted with > crossbar switches--with your shiny new touch-tone telephone, you could hear > the clicks in the back

Re: IBM channel-attached DASD emulation

On 25 December 2015 at 20:55, Mike Ross wrote: > What do people reckon would be the best target for emulation? 3340 > springs to mind initially... would that work on machines as old as > System/360s? It's about the *only* option for 5415 DASD... > The 3340 is a pretty "small" disk at least for mai

Re: Has Anyone Written PDP-8 .XOR. Code Using the MQ Register (Without the EAE)?

On 23 December 2015 at 13:44, CLASystems wrote: > Ironically, the shortest and fastest seems to be avoidance of the MQ > altogether [thus making it work on ANY model]. > > TAD ARGONE > AND ARGTWO > CLL RAL > CIA > TAD ARGONE > DCA ARGTWO > > This works because .XOR. is a

Re: IBM Selectric-based Terminals

On 15 December 2015 at 20:21, William Donzelli wrote: > DEC made a Selectric interface called LT33 or something, consisting of If I recall my DEC naming correctly, the LT33 is *not* for the Selectric. It (and the corresponding LT35) are the modifications made to private line Model 33 (and Model 35

Re: IBM Selectric-based Terminals

On 15 December 2015 at 15:05, Mike Ross wrote: > What other OSes might have native 2741 support built in, anyone know? > I might be completely wrong, but I think some of the early UNIX versions might "speak" 2741. But I'm not sure. Perhaps a sufficiently "vintage" RSX-11 might as well? Of course

Accessible Computing (Was "Re: Display-less computing")

On 13 December 2015 at 13:46, Chuck Guzis wrote: > At CDC Sunnyvale ops back in the 1970s, we had a blind programmer working. > His job output came as punched cards and he had no problem reading them by > feel. I remember him and his beautiful guide dog. > Hmm, that kinda makes sense. It would be

Re: IBM 2260 acoustic delay line

On 12 December 2015 at 22:13, Eric Christopherson wrote: > I'm reading about those terminals and find it just fascinating how they > used acoustic delay line memory to remember the pixels. But I have lots > of questions: > > 1. Did the cables connecting the 2260s to the display controller > actual

Re: SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

On 7 December 2015 at 14:29, Johnny Billquist wrote: > I think all (modern PDP-11) OSes can install from TMSCP tapes. RSTS/E is > more picky than some others, though, if I remember right... > Yes, RSTS/E installs from TMSCP just fine (as can RSX-11/M+); I know that in simh you can bring up Ultrix-

SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

On 6 December 2015 at 13:24, Mark G. Thomas wrote: > As much as I love old CPUs, I've lost my patience with hard disk drives. > I've been using AztecMonster (search ebay) CF-SCSI adapters, with several-GB > CF cards instead of spinning disks. The KA660 and several PDP-11/83s > here run reliably fr

Re: Looking for an IBM manual PDF

On 21 November 2015 at 20:40, Eric Christopherson wrote: > FWIW, Christian's message is shown in Gmail along with a warning that > "similar" messages (similar how?) are often phishing attempts. > Porbably because URLs were in the e-mail, I would guess. ...And now I'm probably in a spam list. So t

Re: 11/70 front panel colors

On 21 November 2015 at 09:04, Charles Dickman wrote: > Here is my attempt to convert the DEC Standard 092 color specifications to RGB > > http://www.chdickman.com/pdp8/DECcolors/ > > No Wild Rose on the list, but there is a Brite Rose. > A possible slight correction for your list. Pantone Process

Looking for an IBM manual PDF

Hello all, I'm looking for a PDF copy of IBM manual GC26-3792-8. The System Generation manual for MVS 3.8; the only PDF I found of GC26-3792 is of the -1 version, which is not particularly helpful. I found a DjVu of the manual (via this site: ) na

Re: Oh boy, copyright discussion.

On 15 November 2015 at 16:10, Chuck Guzis wrote: > In many, if not most, EU countries, copyright has pretty much always > extended past the lifetime of the creator. Traditionally, it's been life+50 > or life+75. Enough to take care of one's widow and children. > It's Life plus 70 years in the EU

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

On 14 October 2015 at 00:25, Brad wrote: > I only ever see teletypes for sale on ebay, only in the US, and of course I > don't bite because of shipping costs, plus usually people ask insane prices > for them. I am wondering what a reasonable price should be for a unit with > a paper tape reader,

Re: PDP-12 Restoration at the RICM

On 11 October 2015 at 10:42, Michael Thompson wrote: > We are running out of things to try for debugging the TC12 controller in > the PDP-12. At this point we are really stumped as to why the TC12 doesn't > work correctly. We are going to try a few remaining ideas like running the > TC12 from a la

Re: VMS and supported VAX hardware

On 3 October 2015 at 18:51, Johnny Billquist wrote: > As far as I can remember, none of the VAX-11 models were officially > supported by OpenVMS 7.3. The oldest model that were supported (if I > remember right) was the VAX 86x0. Glen Slick posted the official list of what was supported and what h

Re: Is tape dead?

On 15 September 2015 at 13:52, Fred Cisin wrote: > Would anybody really trust the miscreants to provide the key after the > ransom is paid? > They actually do deliver. It's their "business model"; if they didn't deliver the keys to decrypt your data after paying them, then eventually word would ge

Re: internet blocking problem ?

On 10 September 2015 at 22:07, Alexis Kotlowy wrote: > iiNet have been outspoken about users' rights and privacy in the face of > the War on Piracy. While they don't condone piracy, they have serious > concerns about the way it's being dealt with (or at least that's my > understanding). > > I get

Re: ASR-33 differences

On 26 August 2015 at 14:03, tony duell wrote: > I've only ever seen the ones with 3 position levers, but from reading the > manuals I think the 3 position levers are manual control models and > 4 position levers are automatic control models (with extra levers and > swtiches in the stunt box to sta

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 21 August 2015 at 14:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: > This leads to some interesting situations. Archibald Joyce wrote his > "Autumn Dreams" waltz in 1908 and it has been reported to be the tune the > orchestra was playing as the Titanic sank in 1912 (contrary to popular > belief, it is extremely unli

Re: PDP-12 at the RICM

On 13 July 2015 at 16:09, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Rich Alderson > > > PDP-1212-bit word, PDP-8/i + LINC hybrid > > Err, DEC sold a PDP-8/LINC hybrid themselves (interesting machine, it's > covered in one of the standard PDP-8 processor manuals), before the PDP-12 > came out; the

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 6 July 2015 at 23:03, Alan Perry wrote: > Is there any interest in starting a VAX-11/750 registry? I wouldn't mind > knowing who else out there has one and where they are now. If you are > interested, send me e-mail (vax11-...@snowmoose.com). > Sorry for the scope creep; but perhaps it might

Re: TTY 33 - Finally

On 3 July 2015 at 21:50, Rick Bensene wrote: > Hello, all, > > Today I received a very nice, (mostly) operational Teletype ASR-33. It is in > really stunning condition...no cracks, very little discoloring, everything is > there, and the best part is that it is very clean inside, and it works gr

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

On 3 July 2015 at 16:48, Mike Ross wrote: > I do difficult propositions, including prying pdps away from the cold > dead hands of the British ministry of defence! So tell more? You can > reach me off-list at this address. > My information was slightly incorrect. It appears that there is more than

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

On 2 July 2015 at 17:39, Mike Ross wrote: > Take the IBM System/7. Successor to the 1800, succeeded by the > Series/1. They were *ubiquitous* - one in every telephone exchange in > the USA, I've heard. They even made a special ruggedised version for Being into telephony, I can say that I've not he

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

On 21 June 2015 at 18:21, Tapley, Mark wrote: > It’s actually full V10 Mathematica, which was the thing that pushed me into > getting it. It does depend on the web-link for lots of the help features, but > I think is otherwise complete. It is also SLOW compared to most Mathematica > platforms.

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

On 21 June 2015 at 01:17, Toby Thain wrote: > Except with pointless obfuscation and click'n'drool topping. > Did you ignore the whole "Nine Videos on How To Lua" and the "Giant Video of FORTH-ness"? Of course, real "stuff" is much better than pissing around in Minecraft. But hey if you can get a

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

On 20 June 2015 at 17:49, William Donzelli wrote: > A 14 year old mind does not work that way. And Minecraft is like crack > to 14 year olds. > Very true, very, very true. So how do we make a 14 year old actually get interested in real world things as opposed to Minecraft? I think that old minic

Re: Nopecraft - was Re: OT: learner kits

On 20 June 2015 at 15:34, William Donzelli wrote: > Good. He has picked up the ball, now let him run with it. Even in > unmodded Minecraft, you can do some amazing things with the redstone > logic coupled with command blocks (yes, Mr. Grumpy Man Thain, with > redstone you can have real gates and f

Re: OT: learner kits (was: Re: using new technology on old machines)

On 19 June 2015 at 22:38, William Donzelli wrote: > Let him play Minecraft. Start with simple redstone contraptions, then > move to command blocks. > I'm not ashamed to admit I (24 y/o) play Minecraft now and again (with friends on their own private servers). I'd suggest anyone serious about tryin

Re: Will Anyone Sell Me A Couple Of DecTapes?

On Friday, 19 June 2015, tony duell wrote: > > [1] No, not a TU55. This is a TU56 with just one transport and a blanking > plate over the other holes, It is > an official DEC variant. > > TU56H is the name of that one. If I recall correctly. Cheers, Christian -- Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove

Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc

On 19 June 2015 at 10:58, ANDY HOLT wrote: > At RAF Duxford (less than an hours drive from my home) you can see > Concorde*, a SR-71, a Lancaster, a Vulcan**, one of the only two remaining > TSR-2s***, a Bf109 and many many more. > Is the Lancaster at Duxford the other flightworthy one? I can

Re: XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc

On 18 June 2015 at 10:33, Sean Caron wrote: > Hi Christian, > > I'm guessing by the CLLI code in your sig, you're maybe close to St. > Catharines, ON, CA? > Close; actually, I'm in Stoney Creek/Hamilton, ON, CA. > If that's true, I just wanted to let you know that - IIRC - there is a > SR-71 on s

XH558 - was Re: using new technology etc

On 18 June 2015 at 06:06, Pete Turnbull > wrote: > I'd have directed you to http://www.vulcantothesky.org/ if Rob hadn't > already. Sometimes, though, it flies near places not on the official list - > for example, I've seen it fly almost over our house (we live near Elvington) > on two different F

Re: Front Panels Personal Update

On Thursday, 18 June 2015, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > > The article pointed to by URL above specifically state that it isn't. > > /P > Yeah, I realized that once my phone's *bleep* internet actually loaded the page... about two minutes after I sent the mail. That article is quite neat, I must say.

Re: Front Panels Personal Update

On Thursday, 18 June 2015, Jonathan Katz wrote: > > There is a Postscript doc out there with the DEC "D I G I T A L" logo > in blocks. That may be a start. > > http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200712/ancient_history_the_digital_logo.html > If I recall, isn't the logo "just" Helvetica? I think, not

Front Panels Personal Update

On 18 June 2015 at 01:49, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > DEC used their own font, It can be identified like this > The letter a is formed by a circle with a vertical bar on the right hand > side. > This font is used for titles and the like in handbooks of this period. > > I'm going to have go at buildin

Re: using new technology on old machines. Was: PDP-12 Restoration at the RICM

On 17 June 2015 at 05:09, Huw Davies wrote: > Funny I was discussing just this pair of planes last night - I last saw them > fly in 1971 at RAF Shawbury. Of course they were both in active service then > and I remember watching the Lightning do a supersonic pass with much joy. > Off topic for a

Re: Bitcoining on a 1401

On 28 May 2015 at 14:12, Fred Cisin wrote: > Excellent! > Does anybody have enough 1401s to run them in parallel to speed up the > process? > Well, I think there are a few IBM System/360 and System/370 machines out there, I think. Why not just use them in 1401 emulation mode (if they have that opt