[cctalk] Re: Ward Christensen NY Times Obituary

2024-11-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 11/1/24 13:33, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: > UNIX might have been unobtainium in your home, but a lot of BBS's > used UUCP to get email and USENET connectivity, and a huge amount > of students had modem access to an UNIX computer at their university. Back in the day, I used a package cal

[cctalk] Re: Ward Christensen NY Times Obituary

2024-11-01 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III via cctalk
And before that, TENEX/TOPS-20 on the DECSYSTEM-20. But that's slightly before my time. (By the time I entered the CMU Ph.D. program, very few DECSYSTEMs were left, being replaced by 11/780s and then a plethora of microvaxen. Running VMS, but also BSD 4.1 with lots of 4.2 patches.) VMS certainly w

[cctalk] Re: Ward Christensen NY Times Obituary

2024-11-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
For a few year VMS was the OS of the "internet". I remember wondering in 1991 or 1992 if UNIX would still be around by 2000 On Fri, Nov 1, 2024, 4:42 PM Johan Helsingius via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > UNIX might have been unobtainium in your home, but a lot of BBS's > used UUCP to

[cctalk] Re: undocumented instructions including HCF [was: System 360 question]

2024-11-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
The IBM monochrome monitor could be damaged by putting it into an unsupported mode. The idea of a command that would brick the system is popular. It may be possible, but it's very difficult to track down the details from FOAFs. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

[cctalk] Re: undocumented instructions including HCF [was: System 360 question]

2024-11-01 Thread Doug Jackson via cctalk
There was a "Killer Poke" on the commodore PET that would alter the video horizontal output frequency, which had the effect of physically damaging the video hardware as the high voltage was generated by the flyback transformer.l and there was no regulation. It's mere existence made my father paran

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Nope. If you believe this mythical instruction exists, you are the person that gets to spend the time digging up the references to it. I've been writing assembly on the 6502 since the early 1980s and I have never managed to damage one when my programs went off the rails, which they did on many

[cctalk] Re: undocumented instructions including HCF [was: System 360 question]

2024-11-01 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> I had remembered the HCF as being a z-80 thing, so I searched for it. > > All I can find says it was 6800, not 6502. The NMOS 6502 has a number of undocumented lock-up opcodes. However, they arise as a consequence of its instruction decoder PLA and weren't intended for testing like the 6800 H

[cctalk] Re: Ward Christensen NY Times Obituary

2024-11-01 Thread Mark E. Mallett via cctalk
On Fri, Nov 01, 2024 at 09:33:31PM +0100, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote: > UNIX might have been unobtainium in your home, but a lot of BBS's > used UUCP to get email and USENET connectivity, and a huge amount > of students had modem access to an UNIX computer at their university. Sure. I ran a

[cctalk] Re: Ward Christensen NY Times Obituary

2024-11-01 Thread Johan Helsingius via cctalk
UNIX might have been unobtainium in your home, but a lot of BBS's used UUCP to get email and USENET connectivity, and a huge amount of students had modem access to an UNIX computer at their university. Julf On 10/24/24 04:36, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: Yes, UUCP was literally a thi

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/1/24 14:55, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Wikipedia lists models 60, 62, 64, and 66 (never shipped) and 65 and 67 as shipped, but no 63. since I don't remember 65s, I assume not many of them made it out the door? Uh, no.  The 360/65 was a very popular model, QUITE (4X) a step up from the

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
Wikipedia lists models 60, 62, 64, and 66 (never shipped) and 65 and 67 as shipped, but no 63. since I don't remember 65s, I assume not many of them made it out the door? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360 --Carey > On 11/01/2024 1:12 PM CDT Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > > > On

[cctalk] undocumented instructions including HCF [was: System 360 question]

2024-11-01 Thread CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
I had remembered the HCF as being a z-80 thing, so I searched for it. All I can find says it was 6800, not 6502. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(computing) http://www.ffd2.com/fridge/docs/6502-NMOS.extra.opcodes http://www.z80.info/zip/z80-documented.pdf New question: what do

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread Van Snyder via cctalk
On Fri, 2024-11-01 at 11:01 -0700, David Barto via cctalk wrote: > > > The 6502 had a HCF (halt and catch fire) undocumented > > > instruction. > > > I forget the opcode and if you knew what you were doing you could > > > get the instruction executed on the chip using any assembler. Early in 196

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread David Barto via cctalk
Nope. Read the documentation for the chip. Turns out that the HCF instruction basically sent the chip into an internal loop which would render parts of it unusable after about 30-45 seconds. Tried it once and the chip got hot. Very very hot and then just stopped working. David > On Nov

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
David Barto wrote: > > The 6502 had a HCF (halt and catch fire) undocumented instruction. > I forget the opcode and if you knew what you were doing you could get the > instruction executed on the chip using any assembler. > > Security through obscurity back in the 70s. > The chip was advanced

[cctalk] Re: RQDX3 Formatter

2024-11-01 Thread Peter Ekstrom via cctalk
Well, I learned that not all drives that look like ST-506, are... Turns out the drive I was going to use is a Micropolis 1355, which is an ESDI drive. So it won't work with the RQDX3. I guess that drive goes back on the shelf until something else comes along. Thanks for all the info on the formatt

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread donald donaldwhittemore.com via cctalk
Glad I never tried it. 😊

[cctalk] Re: System 360 question

2024-11-01 Thread David Barto via cctalk
The 6502 had a HCF (halt and catch fire) undocumented instruction. I forget the opcode and if you knew what you were doing you could get the instruction executed on the chip using any assembler. Security through obscurity back in the 70s. The chip was advanced enough that the DOD wanted to avo