[cctalk] Re: 10 types of people

2023-07-17 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
On 7/17/23 10:51, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Seen on the GCC bugzilla: "actually, there are 10 types of people: those who understand ternary, those who dont, and those who thought this was going to be a binary joke" :-) paul HA!!! Another version: "There are two types of peopl

[cctalk] Re: How to archive floppies

2023-07-17 Thread David Gesswein via cctalk
On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 09:56:52PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > So, what I'd like to do is to is somehow organize all this. I wrote some > software to extract files from the filesystem.So I'd like to have a > separate copy of the expanded files. > What I did is use cgi-bin so site only has the med

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jul 17, 2023, at 5:33 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 7/17/23 11:53, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > >> Chuck Dickman's algorithm is in lbn2rx50.c >> >> #define RX50_TRACKS 80 >> #define RX50_SECTORS 10 >> >> int interleave[] = { 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 }; >>

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 3:34 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 7/17/23 11:53, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > > > Chuck Dickman's algorithm is in lbn2rx50.c > > > > #define RX50_TRACKS 80 > > #define RX50_SECTORS 10 > > > > int interleave[] = { 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 }; > > > >

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 7/17/23 11:53, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > Chuck Dickman's algorithm is in lbn2rx50.c > > #define RX50_TRACKS 80 > #define RX50_SECTORS 10 > > int interleave[] = { 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 }; > > track = lbn/RX50_SECTORS; > track = (track + 1)%RX50_TRACKS; > > s

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Henry Bent via cctalk
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 14:56, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 12:42 PM Henry Bent via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >> I truly feel for the folks who had to do this at the time, using 38 >> floppies on a MicroVAX I. The installer does give time estimates for >> cer

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 12:42 PM Henry Bent via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 13:06, Henry Bent wrote: > > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:59, Ethan Dicks via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> > From: http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/pro380.txt > >> > > >> > "The RX50 flo

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 1:05 PM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > On Jul 17, 2023, at 12:51 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:48 PM Ethan Dicks wrote: > >> From: http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/pro380.txt > >> > >> "The RX50 floppy starts at track 1. Track

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Henry Bent via cctalk
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 13:06, Henry Bent wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:59, Ethan Dicks via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >> > From: http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/pro380.txt >> > >> > "The RX50 floppy starts at track 1. Track 0 is logically placed after >> > track 79. The sec

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Lee Gleason via cctalk
I have had good luck with a secfor convolver from the same page as this comment: http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/lbn2rx50.cIt will go both ways, to and from physical block order and logical block order. For people working on P/OS or RSX, without a c compiler, here is a utility that can convert f

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 10:59 AM Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:48 PM Ethan Dicks > wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:28 PM Henry Bent via cctalk > > > I'm almost thoroughly unfamiliar with IMD - is there some obvious > > > extraction/conversion option that I am mis

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Henry Bent via cctalk
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:59, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > > > From: http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/pro380.txt > > > > "The RX50 floppy starts at track 1. Track 0 is logically placed after > > track 79. The sectors are interleaved 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, > > 10. The track shift and inter

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jul 17, 2023, at 12:51 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk > wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:48 PM Ethan Dicks wrote: >> From: http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/pro380.txt >> >> "The RX50 floppy starts at track 1. Track 0 is logically placed after >> track 79. The sectors are interleaved 1,

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:48 PM Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:28 PM Henry Bent via cctalk > > I'm almost thoroughly unfamiliar with IMD - is there some obvious > > extraction/conversion option that I am missing here? As mentioned previously, yes. There's an additional step tha

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jul 17, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Henry Bent via cctalk > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just noticed that images of a full RX50 floppy set for Ultrix-32m 1.2 was > posted on Bitsavers ( > http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/DEC/vax/ultrix/1.2/ULTRIX-32M_V1.2_RX50_1986.zip > ). I am having diff

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:48 PM Ethan Dicks wrote: > From: http://www.chdickman.com/pdp11/pro380.txt > > "The RX50 floppy starts at track 1. Track 0 is logically placed after > track 79. The sectors are interleaved 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, > 10. The track shift and interleave must be taken i

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:28 PM Henry Bent via cctalk wrote: > I just noticed that images of a full RX50 floppy set for Ultrix-32m 1.2 was > posted on Bitsavers ( > http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/DEC/vax/ultrix/1.2/ULTRIX-32M_V1.2_RX50_1986.zip > ). I am having difficulty parsing these

[cctalk] Re: Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 7/17/23 09:28, Henry Bent via cctalk wrote: > Hi all, > > I just noticed that images of a full RX50 floppy set for Ultrix-32m 1.2 was > posted on Bitsavers ( > http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/DEC/vax/ultrix/1.2/ULTRIX-32M_V1.2_RX50_1986.zip > ). I am having difficulty parsing these ima

[cctalk] Restoring Ultrix-32m 1.2 Floppies

2023-07-17 Thread Henry Bent via cctalk
Hi all, I just noticed that images of a full RX50 floppy set for Ultrix-32m 1.2 was posted on Bitsavers ( http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/DEC/vax/ultrix/1.2/ULTRIX-32M_V1.2_RX50_1986.zip ). I am having difficulty parsing these images into a usable raw format for SIMH. As a reference, TUH

[cctalk] Re: 10 types of people

2023-07-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 8:51 AM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > Seen on the GCC bugzilla: > > "actually, there are 10 types of people: those who understand ternary, > those who dont, and those who thought this was going to be a binary joke" > I almost didn't open this... but I'm glad I did... thou

[cctalk] 10 types of people

2023-07-17 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
Seen on the GCC bugzilla: "actually, there are 10 types of people: those who understand ternary, those who dont, and those who thought this was going to be a binary joke" :-) paul