[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp

2023-01-30 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 6:47 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > The 5150 had a cassette port! > Diagnostics were supplied on cassette tape. [...] > There was an outfit that marketed a sorta network using the 5150 cassette > port, for classroom distribution, etc. There was the Radio Shack Networ

[cctalk] Re: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Computer 1/2 heritage

2023-01-30 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 5:34 PM Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > > On 1/30/2023 11:14 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: > > It had a dedicated cassette port? Don't most cassette ports resemble a > > serial port, or is my wonky brain making that up? What protocols did most > > cassette ports use (c64/12

[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp

2023-01-30 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
By Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 6:01 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:On 2023-01-30 1:50 p.m., Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: >> On 2023-01-30 2:12 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: The 5150 had a >> cassette port! . . . The 5160 no longer had the cassette po

[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp

2023-01-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-01-30 1:50 p.m., Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: On 2023-01-30 2:12 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: The 5150 had a cassette port! . . . The 5160 no longer had the cassette port. On Mon, 30 Jan 2023, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: The cassette port on the 5150 could also be used as a

[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp

2023-01-30 Thread Steve Lewis via cctalk
For reference, my notes on the CTR/CCR tape units (and its relationship to CoCo's and the 5150): https://voidstar.blog/all-about-tandy-radio-shack-computer-cassette-recorder-trs-ccr/ (the Tandy Modem 1 from 1981 also used the cassette port, on one of the TRS-80 systems - at least per its manual)

[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp

2023-01-30 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
Hi Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 12:12 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:>> The 5150 had a cassette port!>> . . .>> The 5160 no longer had the cassette port. On Mon, 30 Jan 2023, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:> The cassette port on the 5150 could also be used as

[cctalk] Re: Mechanical Selectric keyboards on video terminals (was Re: Typing class in high school)

2023-01-30 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/30/23 14:11, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > And the PDP-1. ...and let's not forget Gog! (1954) https://i.imgur.com/j8VsH0s.png That same flick shows a Bendix cmputer https://i.imgur.com/8ezAtKr.png Don't know what model, however--awfully early for Bendix. --Chuck

[cctalk] Re: Mechanical Selectric keyboards on video terminals (was Re: Typing class in high school)

2023-01-30 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 1:59 PM paul.kimpel--- via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > The IBM Model B electric typewriter was used as a printer and keyboard > entry device on at least the Bendix G-15 (mid 1950s) and the IBM 1620 Model > 1 (1959). On the G-15 it ran at about 8cps (timing wa

[cctalk] Re: Mechanical Selectric keyboards on video terminals (was Re: Typing class in high school)

2023-01-30 Thread paul.kimpel--- via cctalk
Paul Berger wrote: > On 2023-01-29 12:25 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 1/28/23 20:20, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > > > > [snip] > > believe it is the same > > as the 029.  The printer in the 1052 is a keyboardless Selectric with no > > tab rack and they spaced via a cam on the

[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp

2023-01-30 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2023-01-30 2:12 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: The 5150 had a cassette port! . . . The 5160 no longer had the cassette port. On Mon, 30 Jan 2023, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: The cassette port on the 5150 could also be used as a Telecommunication Device for the Deaf (TDD) many years

[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp

2023-01-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
The 5150 had a cassette port! . . . The 5160 no longer had the cassette port. On Mon, 30 Jan 2023, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: The cassette port on the 5150 could also be used as a Telecommunication Device for the Deaf (TDD) many years ago I made up a ISA bus card with the same function as

[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp

2023-01-30 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2023-01-30 1:47 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: The 5150 had a cassette port! Diagnostics were supplied on cassette tape. It was immediately adjacent to the keyboard port, and used the same 5 pin DIN connector, for the added convenience of being able to plug in to the wrong one.  THAT

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-30 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Touchscreen with a 'real' stylus. On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 1:10 PM Kenton A. Hoover via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I don't think that portrayal of Xerox's view on the mouse is correct. Much > of Interlisp and all of Smalltalk was mouse-based and Interlisp was never > designed for (on

[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp

2023-01-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On 1/30/2023 11:14 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: It had a dedicated cassette port? Don't most cassette ports resemble a serial port, or is my wonky brain making that up? What protocols did most cassette ports use (c64/128?, IBM 5150, coco ...)? On Mon, 30 Jan 2023, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:

[cctalk] Re: DEC PDP 11/60's in need of a new home.

2023-01-30 Thread Lee Courtney via cctalk
Jerry et al, I know they are gone, but was there any info on software or microcode development tools for the system(s)? THanks! Lee C. On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 1:57 PM Jerry Wright via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I have 2 of these that are in need of a new home. These are quite

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-30 Thread Kenton A. Hoover via cctalk
I don't think that portrayal of Xerox's view on the mouse is correct. Much of Interlisp and all of Smalltalk was mouse-based and Interlisp was never designed for (only) use by youth. Trackpads are fine except for detail work. Touchscreens are bound by touch targets needing to be finger-sized. T

[cctalk] Re: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Computer 1/2 heritage

2023-01-30 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 1/30/2023 11:14 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: It had a dedicated cassette port? Don't most cassette ports resemble a serial port, or is my wonky brain making that up? What protocols did most cassette ports use (c64/128?, IBM 5150, coco ...)? Lots of systems had dedicated cassette ports, bu

[cctalk] Re: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Computer 1/2 heritage

2023-01-30 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
The cassette port on the Coco used two audio tones to represent binary data, 1200 HZ (1) and 2400Hz (0).  Each tone ran for some number of mS (I can't remember what the duration of the tones was). This was so that the cassettes could be duplicated on an audio tape duplicator and for noise immun

[cctalk] Re: QIC replacement tension band

2023-01-30 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/29/23 22:06, BogDan Vatra wrote: > Hi, > > Do you have some links? This is what I use: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08536J6Y5 FWIW, Chuck

[cctalk] Re: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Computer 1/2 heritage

2023-01-30 Thread Chris via cctalk
It had a dedicated cassette port? Don't most cassette ports resemble a serial port, or is my wonky brain making that up? What protocols did most cassette ports use (c64/128?, IBM 5150, coco ...)?

[cctalk] Re: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Computer 1/2 heritage

2023-01-30 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 1/30/2023 6:32 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: I cam't help you. But let me get this strait. 2 cocos connected with ... a null modem cable? can send info to one another in basic? What is the corresponding send commamd? Or was this simply intended to accept data from a cassette recorder? It st

[cctalk] Re: PKBACK Floppies?

2023-01-30 Thread John Herron via cctalk
Pkunzip would automatically prompt you to insert disk 2, etc for spanned disks. I believe a workaround was copying the files to a local directory and combining them (in dos copy zip1.zip+zip2.zip full.zip). Not sure how current archive products react to spanned disks or if it was standardized. On

[cctalk] Re: PKBACK Floppies?

2023-01-30 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Sun, Jan 29, 2023, 9:37 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > Some of the floppies I’m recovering data look to be either a multi-part > ZIP file, or something. Was this a separate product from PKZIP? I’m not > sure if I have a copy of PKZIP in the stuff I’ve recovered thus far. I’ve > not pulle

[cctalk] Re: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Computer 1/2 heritage

2023-01-30 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On Monday, January 30, 2023, 01:02:16 AM EST, Jim Brain via cctalk > wrote: > > Over at the CoCo Mailing List, there's a archeological discussion about > the DLOAD BASIC command in older versions of the Color Computer BASIC. > It uses the serial port (and no doubt was designed for computer s

[cctalk] Re: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Computer 1/2 heritage

2023-01-30 Thread Chris via cctalk
I cam't help you. But let me get this strait. 2 cocos connected with ... a null modem cable? can send info to one another in basic? What is the corresponding send commamd? Or was this simply intended to accept data from a cassette recorder? It still seems sending data coco to coco should't be t

[cctalk] Re: QIC tension band replacement

2023-01-30 Thread BogDan Vatra via cctalk
Many thanks! În lun., 30 ian. 2023 la 10:34, Christian Corti via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> a scris: > On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, BogDan Vatra wrote: > > Can someone recommend a place where I can buy tension bands for QIC(-150) > > tapes? I known about the boiling trick, sadly I don't have any or

[cctalk] Re: QIC tension band replacement

2023-01-30 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, BogDan Vatra wrote: Can someone recommend a place where I can buy tension bands for QIC(-150) tapes? I known about the boiling trick, sadly I don't have any original bands to boil ?. My boiling trick doesn't work very reliably anyways, as the belts mostly become also britt