[cctalk] Re: Any working Datapoint 2200 systems?

2022-11-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/13/22 15:45, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: True, I'd have to assume actual usage degrades the longevity of some electronics (and number of hot/cold cycles). But there is still some natural shelf-life decay (maybe moisture in the air can find its way, even in what should be sealed componen

[cctalk] Re: Any working Datapoint 2200 systems?

2022-11-13 Thread Steve Lewis via cctalk
True, I'd have to assume actual usage degrades the longevity of some electronics (and number of hot/cold cycles). But there is still some natural shelf-life decay (maybe moisture in the air can find its way, even in what should be sealed components). > I am completely ignorant to the operation

[cctalk] Re: Any working Datapoint 2200 systems?

2022-11-13 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Steve said: > I recall a talk from one of the early 1980s Commodore engineer, where he was amazed ANY C64 was still > running since the components were truly not designed to last more than a few years. Me too, to be honest. But then, they seem to just randomly die at any moment, so maybe the C6

[cctalk] Re: Modern Replacement for H7140 in PDP 11/24

2022-11-13 Thread Paul Flo Williams via cctalk
On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:36:24 - Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: > Given all the troubles I have had with the H7140 in my PDP 11/24 I am > considering whether to replace it with modern equivalents, installed > inside the H7140 enclosure. I am a bit puzzled by the specs listed in > the PDP 11/24 M

[cctalk] Re: Any working Datapoint 2200 systems?

2022-11-13 Thread Steve Lewis via cctalk
Thanks Jos, I hadn't realized how similar the DP1100 is. This brochure has a great image of the font right on the front page (80x12 text): http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/datapoint/1100/Dataform_1100_Brochure_1974.pdf And it's probably a safe bet that it's the same font as in the 1972 models. Woul

[cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device?

2022-11-13 Thread Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk
> On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] > > > >> On Nov 12, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Anders Nelson via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> I bet NN/AI would be helpful with data recovery - if we can model certain >> common failure modes with those old drive heads we

[cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device?

2022-11-13 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Nov 13, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk > wrote: > >> AI, not so clear. In my view, AI is a catch-all term for "software whose >> properties are unknown and probably unknowable". > > Someone recently on Hacker News talked about the possibility of neural net > models to tra

[cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device?

2022-11-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> AI, not so clear. In my view, AI is a catch-all term for "software whose > properties are unknown and probably unknowable". Someone recently on Hacker News talked about the possibility of neural net models to translate code for other architectures. The best response to this idea described it a

[cctalk] Modern Replacement for H7140 in PDP 11/24

2022-11-13 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
Given all the troubles I have had with the H7140 in my PDP 11/24 I am considering whether to replace it with modern equivalents, installed inside the H7140 enclosure. I am a bit puzzled by the specs listed in the PDP 11/24 Maintenance Card, it suggests the PSU outputs +12V and -12V from the memory

[cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device?

2022-11-13 Thread Martin Bishop via cctalk
IMHO, AI is bull Martin -Original Message- From: Paul Koning via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: 13 November 2022 15:10 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: Paul Koning Subject: [cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device? > On Nov 12, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Anders Nelson via cctalk > wrote:

[cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device?

2022-11-13 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Nov 12, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Anders Nelson via cctalk > wrote: > > I bet NN/AI would be helpful with data recovery - if we can model certain > common failure modes with those old drive heads we could infer what the > data should have been... NN maybe, I need to understand those better. I

[cctalk] Re: Any working Datapoint 2200 systems?

2022-11-13 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I assume the Datapoint 3300 terminal's electronics beam characters to the crt differently. If they're the same, or close enough from the font perspective, I have a 3300 that works that could be used. Same goes for power supply, I have a spare of one of the 3300"s power supplies should it be used

[cctalk] NEC APC I / III available USA Massachusetts

2022-11-13 Thread Rich Bramante via cctalk
I am downsizing. These have been in storage for quite some time. I am about 25 miles N of Boston, MA and S of Nashua NH. These are both extremely heavy so no interest in shipping. Unfortunately I do not have any software for either system. The I is fairly clean and the kb is effectively new-old-

[cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device?

2022-11-13 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 9:54 AM Robin Downs via cctalk wrote: > > Hi, > Actually, I built exactly this many years ago (1990s) to operate a cash draw > for dumb terminals on Unix systems, used on counters as point of sale > devices... > > The existing solution used a processor, ram, rom, double s

[cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device?

2022-11-13 Thread Robin Downs via cctalk
Hi, Actually, I built exactly this many years ago (1990s) to operate a cash draw for dumb terminals on Unix systems, used on counters as point of sale devices... The existing solution used a processor, ram, rom, double sided board etc and was too expensive, so I designed a replacement with a re

[cctalk] Re: Inline Serial Device?

2022-11-13 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022, Peter Corlett wrote: Farnell Nederland is quoting me ?1.06 (+21% VAT) for the cheapest brand of A quick search reveals that a single NE555 costs 0.25 Euros at Reichelt, *including* VAT. I'm sure they can be had much much cheaper in quantities. Christian

[cctalk] Re: Any working Datapoint 2200 systems?

2022-11-13 Thread jos via cctalk
On 13.11.22 07:13, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: I've been looking for a video or image that shows what font the original Datapoint 2200 used. It's not shown in the manual. There is one vintage image with the office lady and the DP2200 on the desk- but the font isn't very clear in that. In an