Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Rich Alderson wrote: > As for operating system support, the only DEC operating system which > could put tapes and disks on the same Massbus was TOPS-20. Tops-10 > explicitly tells you in the SYSGEN process that disks and tapes must > reside on different channels; I believe that ITS follows that sa

Re: Funky electronics chain Fry?s is no more (Seattle Times)

2021-02-25 Thread Stan Sieler via cctalk
Gavin Scott wrote: > We all had a love/hate relationship with Fry's, but they were an > institution and will be missed. Sometime after his story, Gavin moved to the Bay Area to work for my company. One day, I started to buy something at Fry's and they asked for my phone number. So, I gave th

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Rich Alderson via cctalk
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 12:37:25 -0800 > From: Josh Dersch via cctalk > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:27 PM Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: >> On 2/25/21 10:43 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: >>> Oh this is fun stuff. Is there a specification write-up anywhere on the >>> MASSBUS overall? >> ther

Re: ISO IBM flex cables made by Chabin

2021-02-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 2/22/21 8:14 PM, Jon Elson wrote: I have some Chabin TLC cables that have been cut from the paddle boards.  I also have 4 of the SLT-style connectors sawed off of the some paddle boards. I managed to get some complete cables from Bob Rosenbloom so I think I'm set. It sure would be nice if t

Original Intel 8085 training briefcase with tapes

2021-02-25 Thread Randy Dawson via cctalk
Just on a chance, would anybody have the paper workbook that goes with this kit? It is a 8085 SDK board in a briefcase, power supply and tape player that was probably part of a class they presented. Mine works fine, including the Sony Walkman in the case, I am listening to the 10 or more trainin

Re: Pinging Jay West

2021-02-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 02/25/2021 05:04 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: Sent out a request via multiple channels to you WRT a local STL system. can you give me a call or ping back. sent to your emails, discord and other channels. thanks Jim Anything I can do for you? Jon

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Rob Doyle via cctalk
On 2/25/2021 1:37 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:27 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 2/25/21 10:43 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Oh this is fun stuff. Is there a specification write-up anywhere on the MASSBUS overall? there is some documentation on bitsaver

Pinging Jay West

2021-02-25 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
Sent out a request via multiple channels to you WRT a local STL system.  can you give me a call or ping back. sent to your emails, discord and other channels. thanks Jim

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > On 2/25/21 12:37 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > >> Interesting... Is this obfuscation documented anywhere (beyond looking at >> SIMH code?) > Not that I know of. Thinking about it some more I think that it was the > massbus device

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 2/25/21 12:37 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: Interesting... Is this obfuscation documented anywhere (beyond looking at SIMH code?) Not that I know of. Thinking about it some more I think that it was the massbus device addresses behind the controllers that weren't documented

Re: archive of DEC Notes

2021-02-25 Thread Gary Grebus via cctalk
On 2/24/21 3:27 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > >> On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:08 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On 24/02/2021 03:26, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: >>> Does anyone have contact information for the proprietor of this site: >>> http://www.activityclub.org/decnotes/ >>>

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:27 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > On 2/25/21 10:43 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > Oh this is fun stuff. Is there a specification write-up anywhere on the > MASSBUS overall? > > there is some documentation on bitsavers > > the register descriptions were intention

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 2/25/21 10:43 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Oh this is fun stuff. Is there a specification write-up anywhere on the MASSBUS overall? there is some documentation on bitsavers the register descriptions were intentionally obfuscated to prevent cloning that was figured out to make SIMH work

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
In answer to my own question: No it does not based on a bit of review. Looks like unique cards to the 11/70. C On 2/25/2021 1:43 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Oh this is fun stuff. Is there a specification write-up anywhere on the MASSBUS overall? For example I wonder if the RH70 could d

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
That is at least one RH11-AB in there, minus the knucklebusters of course. On 2/25/2021 1:49 PM, Bill Degnan wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:43 PM Chris Zach via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: Oh this is fun stuff. Is there a specification write-up anywhere on the MAS

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Michael Thompson via cctalk
The PDP-10 KL10 at the RCS/RI was used to control a real-time flight simulator at Sikorski. It had one of the RH20 Massbus controllers connected to a DTR01 cabinet holding a DR01 chassis. The DR01 was, I think, connected to a DR11 chassis that had A/D and D/A converters boards inside. You could use

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Oh this is fun stuff. Is there a specification write-up anywhere on the > MASSBUS overall? > > For example I wonder if the RH70 could do a transfer >128kb at a time. ... I don't know the answer to most of your questions, bu

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:43 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Oh this is fun stuff. Is there a specification write-up anywhere on the > MASSBUS overall? > > For example I wonder if the RH70 could do a transfer >128kb at a time. > Another is around the RH11: There were two models, the traditional

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Oh this is fun stuff. Is there a specification write-up anywhere on the MASSBUS overall? For example I wonder if the RH70 could do a transfer >128kb at a time. Another is around the RH11: There were two models, the traditional RH11 (which could only do so many words on a DMA transfer) and the

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 1:30 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Paul Koning > >> There's a good reason why the big disks on many DEC machines were Massbus >> devices until MSCP arrived. It's quite clear on Unibus PDP-11s, which >> needed Massbus both for speed and for a cleaner a

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Paul Koning > There's a good reason why the big disks on many DEC machines were Massbus > devices until MSCP arrived. It's quite clear on Unibus PDP-11s, which > needed Massbus both for speed and for a cleaner answer to more-than-18 > bit addressing. I follow the firs

Re: Massbus - was: Re: VAX 11/750

2021-02-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 2:40 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 7:06 AM Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > >> Yes, the TM02 and TM03 formatters allowed MASSBUS to connect to Pertec >> drives, but I don't think you could run a tape drive and a disk drive on >> the sam

Re: FW: List your old computer

2021-02-25 Thread erik--- via cctalk
Hm, just adding that my venerable SUN SPARC UII runs WEB server, ssh, web proxy, sub-version, and is my "cloud" via rsync and of course serves email. Over the last 7 years it got rebooted only twice, because the provider needed to relocate it in the server farm and during one of these reboots we

Re: FW: List your old computer

2021-02-25 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 2/25/21 2:05 AM, Peter Coghlan wrote: > Chuck Guzis wrote: > I don't think so. My Raspberry Pi running Linux becomes choked by memory > leaks > when I leave it running more than a few months. No amount of killing > processes > or other fiddling with the operating system tools available allo