Re: DEC PDP-8/E wanted - still looking

2020-11-26 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
at smecc we have an extra  first model classic-8    in a  rack  the  blue  one  that  a  white  desk  section can mount to     not the Plexiglas surrounds   do not  know what it  would  take  to plexi one  but this is in a  rack.  downside? it is at the back of  a warehouse  so it  would  not  b

Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards

2020-11-26 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 11/26/20 4:23 PM, Larry McVoy via cctalk wrote: I'm sort of wondering why the solution for the problem isn't good enough. As indicated elsewhere the code generating the output (via print(f) statements) is written in (m)awk. I'm not aware of a good / convenient / nice / pretty / shiny inte

Re: NEC NEAX IVS2 PBX with NEAXMAIL AD-8 - hard drive clone issues

2020-11-26 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/26/2020 05:46 PM, keith--- via cctalk wrote: And yes, I really don't need the voicemail working, nor do I need a PBX in my house but why not? Well, I have set up an Asterisk/FreePBX system with Snom 300 phones at home. Given that phones are fairly essential, I would not want to be r

Re: NEC NEAX IVS2 PBX with NEAXMAIL AD-8 - hard drive clone issues

2020-11-26 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/26/2020 05:46 PM, keith--- via cctalk wrote: Hi Everyone, Not a classic computer but has a 386 embedded in it for the voice mail. I rescued it from work. We had it rung for 20 years straight. The voice mail (AD-8) is basically a 386 running MS-DOS 6.22. So my concern is the hard drive

Re: DEC PDP-8/E wanted - still looking

2020-11-26 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
Hi Dave, Could you please explain how exactly the VT emulation "kills" the Fortran run time system in OS/8? What is the fault? How do you trigger it? Have you got a Fortran code snippet which reproduces the problem? Was there some previous discussion about it answering my questions above? I have a

NEC NEAX IVS2 PBX with NEAXMAIL AD-8 - hard drive clone issues

2020-11-26 Thread keith--- via cctalk
Hi Everyone, Not a classic computer but has a 386 embedded in it for the voice mail. I rescued it from work. We had it rung for 20 years straight. The voice mail (AD-8) is basically a 386 running MS-DOS 6.22. So my concern is the hard drive. It is the original 2.5 inch IDE IBM Travelstar 6

Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards

2020-11-26 Thread Larry McVoy via cctalk
Did I miss a reason for the alternative? Because if you add a caching layer this approach has been working for me for decades. I rewrote dired in perl just because perl was everywhere and I could. I've been dragging the perl one around since at least 1990 and it worked for me on pretty much any

Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards

2020-11-26 Thread Ed Carp via cctalk
Larry, as was stated in the original post (and multiple times in the replies), I believe they were looking for another solution. On 11/26/20, Larry McVoy wrote: > Um, as has been stated multiple time, this is why tputs(1) exists. > Problem. Solved.

Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards

2020-11-26 Thread Larry McVoy via cctalk
Um, as has been stated multiple time, this is why tputs(1) exists. Problem. Solved. On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 01:26:30PM -0500, Nemo Nusquam wrote: > On 11/26/20 11:26, Ed Carp wrote: > > You could write something in C using curses/ncurses (which will > > do the ANSI sequences for you automatically

Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards

2020-11-26 Thread Ed Carp via cctalk
You could write something in C using curses/ncurses (which will do the ANSI sequences for you automatically).

Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards

2020-11-26 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 11/26/20 11:35 AM, Tony Aiuto via cctalk wrote: Every time I see discussions about terminal control sequences and Unix, I can not help but be reminded of Johnny Zweig's eloquent analysis, as quoted in The Unix Haters Handboodk. https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf ~chuckle~ I'm going

Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards

2020-11-26 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> > You could write something in C using curses/ncurses (which will > > do the ANSI sequences for you automatically). > > True but I wonder whether curses would be bit heavy handed for this. You had me at "a bit heavy handed." -- personal: http://www.cameron

Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards

2020-11-26 Thread Tony Aiuto via cctalk
Every time I see discussions about terminal control sequences and Unix, I can not help but be reminded of Johnny Zweig's eloquent analysis, as quoted in The Unix Haters Handboodk. https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf Forcing programmers to be aware of how their programs talk to terminals is m

Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards

2020-11-26 Thread Nemo Nusquam via cctalk
On 11/26/20 11:26, Ed Carp wrote: > You could write something in C using curses/ncurses (which will > do the ANSI sequences for you automatically). True but I wonder whether curses would be bit heavy handed for this. N.

Re: DEC PDP-8/E wanted - still looking

2020-11-26 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
We'll see. At the moment I'm not interested in selling either of the 8/L's. The 8/E is a bit more complicated, will have to think about that. C On 11/26/2020 1:01 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: Tom Uban fully built "Spare Time Gizmos" SBC6120 based computer complete with front-panel and IO

RE: DEC PDP-8/E wanted - still looking

2020-11-26 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
Tom, If it has an IOB6120 then it the VT emulation kills the Fortran run time system in OS8. Dave G4UGM > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Tom Hunter via > cctalk > Sent: 26 November 2020 06:02 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: DEC PDP-8