Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 8:38 PM Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote: > In fact, is there any standard for floppy disk metadata container files? > > I'm not aware of any. > Teledisk? >

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
In fact, is there any standard for floppy disk metadata container files? I'm not aware of any. --Chuck

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Jeff Woolsey via cctalk
> On 10/2/20 1:42 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > > >/Of course, that scheme breaks programs that use tape images but don't > >/>/expect enormous or "negative" record lengths. / > Those would already be broken with Bob's use of large negative numbers for > physical end of > tape and 'bad block

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 9:37 PM Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 10/2/20 8:08 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 8:38 PM Chuck Guzis via cctech > > mailto:cct...@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > > > In fact, is there any standard for floppy disk metadata container > files? > > > > I'm

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/2/20 8:08 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 8:38 PM Chuck Guzis via cctech > mailto:cct...@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > In fact, is there any standard for floppy disk metadata container files? > > I'm not aware of any. > > > Teledisk? > Heh, but no--there's no

Re: PSA to SparcBook 2 Users

2020-10-02 Thread Connor Krukosky via cctalk
Yea I received a Sparcbook 2 and saw this damage knock some SMD components off the entire OTHER SIDE of the board from the leaky cap. Got it going again with cleaning and repair work though. I had a SB3 fail in its power supply module due to shorted tantrums on the output side of the supply whi

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/2/20 1:42 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > Actually, they're neither.  I append the metadata after the EOI marker > on mine.   Doesn't seem to bother the emulators. > > > Some programs (but pro

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/2/20 1:42 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: Of course, that scheme breaks programs that use tape images but don't expect enormous or "negative" record lengths. Those would already be broken with Bob's use of large negative numbers for physical end of tape and 'bad block is here' (you don

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > Actually, they're neither. I append the metadata after the EOI marker > on mine. Doesn't seem to bother the emulators. > Some programs (but probably very few) that use various so-called .tap files assume that they can seek to the

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/2/20 12:26 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: This is basically the problem with all of the container file formats that I've seen. They seem to think that the data alone is sufficient to describe an object. Quite often, a simple paper label is more informative than a bunch of bits the

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/2/20 11:51 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > >> On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On 10/1/20 11:40 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: >>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 12:05 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk >>> wrote: >>> I have never figured out why Bob Supnik defined the m

Re: Old Terminals

2020-10-02 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Oct 2, 2020, at 12:01 PM, John Many Jars via cctalk wrote: > > I've always had a weakness for terminals. > > I have a question, are all those RJ-11 style keyboards interchangeable? No, virtually every manufacturer had its own signaling and protocols, and in a lot of cases individual *model

Old Terminals

2020-10-02 Thread John Many Jars via cctalk
I've always had a weakness for terminals. I have a question, are all those RJ-11 style keyboards interchangeable? I have an ICL M8 with a bad key... it's only the scroll lock... but still. There is so little information about these things that I've been able to find...

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/1/20 11:40 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 12:05 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk >> wrote: >> >>> I have never figured out why Bob Supnik defined the magnetic tape >>> containers (TAP files) with the

Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Choice of Unix for 11/03 and 11/23+ Systems

2020-10-02 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 at 19:20, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > (For those are are not familiar with Mini-Unix and LSX, they are both V6 Unix > variants lobotomized to run on PDP-11's without memory management: Aha! Like this? https://hackaday.com/2018/06/03/its-unix-on-a-microcontroller/ http:/

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/1/20 11:40 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 12:05 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk > wrote: > >> I have never figured out why Bob Supnik defined the magnetic tape >> containers (TAP files) with the one byte padding for odd length records. >> This seems very odd (pun intended

Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Choice of Unix for 11/03 and 11/23+ Systems

2020-10-02 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Liam Proven > for my continuing education: what's a "Mini-Unix binary"? Two possible meanings; a system image for a Mini-Unix system (buildable under V6 with the standard V6 tool-chain of C-compiler/assembler/linker), and user command binaries (buildable with the C-compiler/assemb

Re: ancient 5" SMD message

2020-10-02 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/2/20 8:17 AM, Zane Healy wrote: There is a name from the past. That’s a good question Al, when was the last time anyone heard from Dave? kinda grasping at straws at this point Eric Smith has been looking for info on the SMD Elite drives for over 10 years. The non-SCSI Elite series wer

Re: ancient 5" SMD message

2020-10-02 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
There is a name from the past. That’s a good question Al, when was the last time anyone heard from Dave? Zane > On Oct 1, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > > > 5.25" SMD drives > > > From: David C. Jenner > Date: Tue Jun 24 19:28:00 2003 > > I have complete docs (Us

Re: Zuse Z4 - Oldest Surviving Computer in the World - Lost in the archives

2020-10-02 Thread dwight via cctalk
I'm sorry Paul, I didn't know you were talking about the carry circuit or I'd have replied. I don't recall where I saw the circuit described but with relay contacts, the carry was basically as fast as the sum was created. It was kind of a parallel operation. It didn't require different relay coi

Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Choice of Unix for 11/03 and 11/23+ Systems

2020-10-02 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 00:58, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > No, it looks like it uses a different fie-system layout. > > Besides; there's not much point: the big adantage of using V6 is that one can > use the V6 tool-chain to prepare Mini-Unix binaries; XV6 wouldn't allow > that. If all one wa

Re: Zuse Z4 - Oldest Surviving Computer in the World - Lost in the archives

2020-10-02 Thread Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk
On 2/10/20 10:20 am, Brent Hilpert via cctech wrote: > I'm not sure how unique this is to Zuse however. > The raw design presented in the Radio-Electronics/Edmund Berkeley Simon > articles of 1949/50 presents this scheme, > although more complex (unoptimised) in the contact logic. > This is post-Z

RE: Zuse Z4 - Oldest Surviving Computer in the World - Lost in the archives

2020-10-02 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of K. Krause via > cctalk > Sent: 02 October 2020 08:54 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Zuse Z4 - Oldest Surviving Computer in the World - Lost in the > archives > > > > On 01.10.20 23:38, Eric Smith via cctalk wr

Re: Zuse Z4 - Oldest Surviving Computer in the World - Lost in the archives

2020-10-02 Thread K. Krause via cctalk
On 01.10.20 23:38, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:It is going to need a lot of contact cleaning. The one thing I like is the carry design the Zuse used. Really fast for relays but not of much use for solid state. Where is that circuit described? The circuit is described in Konrad Zuses life m

Re: Zuse Z4 - Oldest Surviving Computer in the World - Lost in the archives

2020-10-02 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Oct-01, at 2:03 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> On Oct 1, 2020, at 1:20 PM, dwight via cctech wrote: >> >> It is going to need a lot of contact cleaning. >> The one thing I like is the carry design the Zuse used. Really fast for >> relays but not of much use for solid state. >> Dwig

Re: Datasheet / Info for Motorola SC5330 IC?

2020-10-02 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:48 PM Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 9/30/2020 3:40 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:41 PM Gavin Scott via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> Josh wrote: > >>> https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aqb36sqnCIfM

Re: 9 track tapes and block sizes

2020-10-02 Thread Jeff Woolsey via cctalk
On 10/1/20 11:40 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 12:05 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > I have never figured out why Bob Supnik defined the magnetic tape > containers (TAP files) with the one byte padding for odd length > records. >