Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: > >> On Jan 7, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> Well, there are single-RK05 images up already: >> >> http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/Ken_Wellsch_v6/ > > ...which directory contains sever

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > Well, there are single-RK05 images up already: > > http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/Ken_Wellsch_v6/ Hmm, this link didn’t work for me; I found I think equivalent mirrored at: https://www.tuhs.o

Re: so far off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8?

2019-01-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 01/07/2019 07:51 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: I still want to make a stretched 8, PDP8 ISA with 16 bits and faster. No good reason save for it wold be fun. Umm, I think that is called a Data General Nova! Jon

Re: so far off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8?

2019-01-07 Thread allison via cctalk
On 01/07/2019 07:25 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 1/7/2019 8:20 AM, allison via cctalk wrote: > snip... >> made though more likely 74F, AS, or LS variant and of course CMOS 74ACT >> (and cmos friends) as I just bought a bunch.  Dip is getting harder to >> get but >> the various SMT packages are ea

Re: so far off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8?

2019-01-07 Thread ben via cctalk
On 1/7/2019 8:20 AM, allison via cctalk wrote: snip... made though more likely 74F, AS, or LS variant and of course CMOS 74ACT (and cmos friends) as I just bought a bunch.  Dip is getting harder to get but the various SMT packages are easy.  Prices for 10 or more of a part are cheap to cheaper fr

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Fritz Mueller > Thanks, Noel -- I'll give that a try! Sure - always glad to help with anything V6 related - that's my chief technical amusement, now that I'm retired! :-) Any questions/issues, let me know, and I'll try and get right back. When booting UNIX, remember make sure th

Re: VueSCAN

2019-01-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I wonder if there were ever any TWAIN drivers for Win 3.x. Yes, but I think that you needed WIN32S installed. On Tue, 8 Jan 2019, Liam Proven wrote: Ah, could be. 16-bit TWAIN was supported in version 1.9 of the specification, apparently eliminated by 2.2 Other than a 16 bit version

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> I guess I'll do up a cheat sheet. OK, first crack here: http://gunkies.org/wiki/Upgrading_UNIX_Sixth_Edition If there are any improvement I can/should make, please let me know. Thanks! Noel

Re: VueSCAN

2019-01-07 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 22:11, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 at 02:39, Ali via cctalk wrote: > >> I wonder if there were ever any TWAIN drivers for Win 3.x. > > Yes, but I think that you needed WIN32S installed. Ah, could be. > But few pay any attention to any techno

Re: VueSCAN

2019-01-07 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
no only hp scan jets no other brands and only the first few models.  thanks though. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Monday, January 7, 2019 Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2019, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > my foggy  brain  remembers them  as  I retied   the biz  end of > things  bef

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > ...there are single-RK05 images up already: > > http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/Ken_Wellsch_v6/ > > but they only include binary for /40’s ... but really, it's drop-dead simple > to build a /45 ve

Re: VueSCAN

2019-01-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: my foggy  brain  remembers them  as  I retied   the biz  end of things  before    win 95   came out. About 1992. After Windoze 3.00 (I got "beta" Windoze 3.10 in August 1991, public release soon after?), and about the time of 3.11 I have a cou

Re: VueSCAN

2019-01-07 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
my foggy  brain  remembers them  as  I retied   the biz  end of things  before    win 95   came out. and  I  seem to remember  twain  as a term  used  with hp scanjets  before retirement.\ when i   left   scanjet   2c  was  current  color  product.]anyone  coming thou  az   with a  scanjet iic 

Re: VueSCAN

2019-01-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 at 02:39, Ali via cctalk wrote: I wonder if there were ever any TWAIN drivers for Win 3.x. Yes, but I think that you needed WIN32S installed. On Mon, 7 Jan 2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This is stretching my powers of recollection -- and in my world, back then

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Fritz Mueller > I've thought about that; Unix V6 is actually next on my list of OS's to > try. I think I have seen a fairly detailed set of instructions on > building an image from this from the commonly available distribution > tape. Yeah, one comes with the V6 distr

Re: Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Few people (but most are right here) can recite PI to enough digits to reach the level of inaccuracy. And those who believe that PI is exactly 22/7 are unaffected by FDIV. (YES, some schools do still teach that!) On Mon, 7 Jan 2019, Johnny Eriksson via cctalk wrote: Why remember the digits,

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
Hi Paul, > On Jan 7, 2019, at 7:40 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> On Jan 6, 2019, at 5:58 PM, Paul Koning wrote: >> >> I'd have to refresh my memory on how but it's clearly possible to force a >> crash dump. That would allow us to dig into exactly what went wrong, >> provided you can read the

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 6:29 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > Try running your RSTS image on Ersatz-11, see if it's a simulator issue. I’ll give that a go. > And try bringing up Unix V6 on your machine ... I can help with providing the > image, if needed. I’ve thought about that; Unix

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > 5. You should now have the crash dump in [0,1]CRASH.SYS, so you can either > extract that file and the OS image (the RSTS "SIL" file), or the whole disk. > To analyze it, you can use the standard utility ANALYS, or th

Re: Want/Available list

2019-01-07 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 04:51, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote: > > OK, so it's down *to* the bunker or down *in* the bunker. I'm just asking > because of my language geekery. I still don't know, though, whether "down > the bunker" without a preposition is idiomatic in some dialect of English

Re: Want/Available list

2019-01-07 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 02:59, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > Websites are a huge inconvenience or imposition, email lists are not. Agreed. However, for a lot of younger people and those to whom "email" just means "MS Outlook", it's hard work. They do not understand complexities such as filteri

Re: VueSCAN

2019-01-07 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 at 02:39, Ali via cctalk wrote: > I wonder if there were ever any TWAIN drivers for Win 3.x. This is stretching my powers of recollection -- and in my world, back then, if you could afford (and wanted) a scanner, you used a Mac -- but I think so, yes. We are all aware o

Re: off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8

2019-01-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 01/06/2019 11:24 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: I am also pretty sure that prior to S/360 the term "character" was generally used for non 8-bit character machines. I am not familiar with the IBM 70xx series machines The IBM 7070 (business machine) was a word-addressed machine, but all dec

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 6, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Fritz Mueller via cctalk > wrote: > > Hi Paul, > >> On Jan 6, 2019, at 5:58 PM, Paul Koning wrote: >> >> Hm. Can you read data back from the RK05 pack? I'd have to refresh my >> memory on how but it's clearly possible to force a crash dump. That would >>

Re: so far off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8?

2019-01-07 Thread allison via cctalk
On 01/07/2019 09:51 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: > On Sun, Jan 06, 2019 at 02:54:08PM -0700, ben via cctalk wrote: >> On 1/6/2019 12:24 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: >>> The small beauty of being there...   FYI back then (1972) a 7400 was about >>> 25 cents and 7483 adder was maybe $1.25.  L

Re: off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8? HELP

2019-01-07 Thread Kyle Owen via cctalk
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:51 AM Peter Corlett via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Thanks to inflation, $0.25 in 1972 is worth $1.51 now. Likewise, $1.25 has > inflated to $7.54. So they're cheaper in real terms than they used to be. > > However, it's still not entirely comparable, as I sus

Re: off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8? HELP

2019-01-07 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Sun, Jan 06, 2019 at 02:54:08PM -0700, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 1/6/2019 12:24 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: >> The small beauty of being there...   FYI back then (1972) a 7400 was about >> 25 cents and 7483 adder was maybe $1.25.  Least that's what I paid. > Checks my favorite supplier. > $1.

Re: off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 12:24 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > I am also pretty sure that prior to S/360 the term "character" was generally > used for non 8-bit character machines. I am not familiar with the IBM 70xx > series machines but certainly on the 1401 and 1620 the term byte

Re: PDP-11/45 RSTS/E boot problem

2019-01-07 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Fritz Mueller > Oh, one last thing: if anybody else out there has a real working '11/45 > + RK05 and wants to try this RSTS image, let me know, and I'll send you > a copy (all 2.5MB of it, hah). It'd be interesting to see if this a > really just limited to my machine?

Re: Microcode, which is a no-go for modern designs

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 3:20 AM, Johnny Eriksson via cctalk > wrote: > >> Few people (but most are right here) can recite PI to enough digits to >> reach the level of inaccuracy. And those who believe that PI is exactly >> 22/7 are unaffected by FDIV. (YES, some schools do still teach that

Re: off topic - capatob - saratov2 computer Russsian pdp8

2019-01-07 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Dave Wade > The only machine I know where a "byte" is not eight bits is the > Honeywell L6000 and its siblings I'm not sure why I bother to post to this list, since apparently people don't bother to read my messages. >From the "pdp10 reference handbook", 1970, section 2.3, "B