Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 10/02/2018 07:38 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I later looked this up to confirm. See where wizards stay up lote by Katie Halner and matthew lyon. IMHO Where Wizards Stay Up Late is a *WONDERFUL* book. It's been too long since I've read it. Perhaps I should (re)read it (again). Som

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 10/02/2018 05:27 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: 3 Mbps Ethernet is _NOT_ Ethernet I. Both Ethernet I and II were 10 Mbps DIX standards, with II having only minor differences from I. Okay. Thank you for the correction ~> clarification. Now I'll keep an eye out (but not quite search for) t

Re: 6809 Monitor

2018-10-02 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
At 12:24 PM 2/10/2018 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program? > >I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo. > >Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and >write to memory. Attached is the zipped C source code for a 6809 monitor I wr

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:55 PM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:38 PM Bill Degnan wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:46 PM Eric Smith via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I've never heard of an Alto being connected to an Aloha Network, nor of > any > > >

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:38 PM Bill Degnan wrote: > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:46 PM Eric Smith via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I've never heard of an Alto being connected to an Aloha Network, nor of any > >> network inside Xerox being called "Aloha". >> > Well there you go, now you

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:46 PM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 11:47 Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > > Ethernet was the name given to the Alto (XEROX) Aloha Network > > > It wasn't an Aloha Network. > > There is a difference between Alohanet and the alto aloha network.

Re: 6809 Monitor

2018-10-02 Thread Monty McGraw via cctalk
I found this page two days ago - it is a Motorola document for MIKBUG and MINIBUG:includes instructions and source code for both. MINIBUG uses a Motorola ACIA for serial. MIKBUG does bit banged serial through a PIA. http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/MP_A/MIKBUG_Index.htm I am porting MINIBUG to Tektro

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/2/18 4:45 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 11:47 Bill Degnan via cctalk > I've never heard of an Alto being connected to an Aloha Network, nor of any > network inside Xerox being called "Aloha". > I just went back and reviewed every memo I can find that I have ac

Re: Rack-mount or tabletop version of DEC RX50 floppy drive?

2018-10-02 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 6:50 PM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > Did DEC offer a rack-mount or tabletop box version of the RX50 floppy > drive, as they did with e.g. the TU58 and TK50 tape drives? Yes. > I'm wondering > how they expected the RX50 drive to be packaged when used with a Unibus > PDP-1

Re: Rack-mount or tabletop version of DEC RX50 floppy drive?

2018-10-02 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:50 PM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > Did DEC offer a rack-mount or tabletop box version of the RX50 floppy > drive, as they did with e.g. the TU58 and TK50 tape drives? I'm wondering > how they expected the RX50 drive to be packaged when used with a Unibus > PDP-11 via th

Rack-mount or tabletop version of DEC RX50 floppy drive?

2018-10-02 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
Did DEC offer a rack-mount or tabletop box version of the RX50 floppy drive, as they did with e.g. the TU58 and TK50 tape drives? I'm wondering how they expected the RX50 drive to be packaged when used with a Unibus PDP-11 via the RUX50 controller.

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 11:47 Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > Ethernet was the name given to the Alto (XEROX) Aloha Network It wasn't an Aloha Network. created (?) > by Bob Metcalff (sp?), which was based/inspired by an improved version of > the ALOHANET used by the U of Hawaii. In their CACM p

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 11:35 Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > Does anybody know names / terms that correspond to the original 3 Mbps > Ethernet? > > I.e. 10 Mbps Ethernet is also knows as Ethernet II (2) and D.I.X. (for > Digital, Intel, and Xerox). > > Was the first 3 Mbps Ethernet simply called "

Re: 6809 Monitor

2018-10-02 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk
Also, there is this: https://github.com/electronalan/Colormon and a monitor in here too: https://github.com/6809/sbc09 HTH On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:39 PM Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > > Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program? > > > I'm looking for something I can make work in a

Re: 6809 Monitor

2018-10-02 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program? > I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo. > Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and > write to memory. Sources to the BUFFALO, ASSIST09 and MONDEB09 monitors are included in the Alan Baldwin's ASxx

Re: 6809 Monitor

2018-10-02 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 10/2/2018 12:51 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk wrote: On 02/10/18 21:24, tim lindner via cctalk wrote: Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program? I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo. Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and write to

Re: 6809 Monitor

2018-10-02 Thread Mike Loewen via cctalk
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, tim lindner via cctalk wrote: Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program? I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo. Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and write to memory. If you're up for a disassembly challage, there's

Re: 6809 Monitor

2018-10-02 Thread Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk
On 02/10/18 21:24, tim lindner via cctalk wrote: Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program? I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo. Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and write to memory. There is a listing of ASSIST09 in this Motorola book:

Re: 6809 Monitor

2018-10-02 Thread Diane Bruce via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 12:24:47PM -0700, tim lindner via cctalk wrote: > Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program? > > I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo. > > Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and > write to memory. I have a copy of psymo

6809 Monitor

2018-10-02 Thread tim lindner via cctalk
Does anyone have source to a 6809 monitor program? I'm looking for something I can make work in a CoCo. Functionality I'm looking for is something that will let me read and write to memory. -- -- tim lindner "Proper User Policy apparently means Simon Says."

Re: pdp-11/34 extravaganza

2018-10-02 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 11:52 AM Jay West via cctalk wrote: > This was claimed by the way.. Somebody has a bunch of nice new toys. I have multiple PDP-11/34s, and RL01/02 and RX01/02 drives (and not looking to add more). The Tektronix terminals, though... very nice. I only have dumb termina

Re: pdp-11/34 extravaganza

2018-10-02 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
OK, thanks Jay. Catch you later. On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:32 AM Jay West via cctalk wrote: > This was claimed by the way.. > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West > via cctalk > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:02 PM > T

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
To the best of my knowledge, at the time it was developed at PARC in 1973/74, it was referred to as "Ethernet" (or "The Ethernet") and later was referred to as "Xerox Experimental Ethernet" likely to differentiate it from the developing 10mbit standards... - Josh On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:47 AM

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
Not clear the 3 Mb one had a name of its own. Note that Aloha is fundamentally different from Ethernet. Aloha is MA but not CS nor CD, and its performance characteristics are very different from Ethernet. paul > On Oct 2, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > Ethern

Re: Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Ethernet was the name given to the Alto (XEROX) Aloha Network created (?) by Bob Metcalff (sp?), which was based/inspired by an improved version of the ALOHANET used by the U of Hawaii. I think Ethernet was a nickname, eventually becoming the official name of what was originally the Alto Aloha Net

Ethernet names...

2018-10-02 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
Does anybody know names / terms that correspond to the original 3 Mbps Ethernet? I.e. 10 Mbps Ethernet is also knows as Ethernet II (2) and D.I.X. (for Digital, Intel, and Xerox). Was the first 3 Mbps Ethernet simply called "Ethernet" with an implicit "I" (1)? Was there a name to differenti

Re: FS: various books, including some old/classic/vintage

2018-10-02 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk
Dear MG, I am interested in a few of your items. On 02/10/2018 17:00, MG via cctalk wrote: >    "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD: The Nonstop Webserver" >   (Alan Winston, Digital Press, 2003, 454 p.)  Yes please! If there were only one thing in the whole list of items you're offering,

RE: PDP-11 in russia?

2018-10-02 Thread Rod G8DGR via cctalk
There were plenty of real PDP-11’s that found their way to Russia. Often through front companies in say Vienna. Rod Smallwood Digital Equipment Corporation 1975 – 1985 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Holm Tiffe via cctalk Sent: 02 October 2018 18:01 To: Jay West; General Discussion: On-Top

Re: PDP-11 in russia?

2018-10-02 Thread Holm Tiffe via cctalk
Jay West via cctalk wrote: > Someone has contacted me about a pdp-11 that controls a "measuring machine > dea epsilon". > > > > It appears that they want to replace the pdp-11 with a "ibm" (I'm guessing a > pc), and then they would give the pdp-11 as a gift. > > > > That is all the info I

Re: PDP-11 in russia?

2018-10-02 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 07:52:44AM -0500, Jay West via cctalk wrote: > I do have a phone number for them. I am not really familiar with > international dialing, but it starts: > +79507. which my google-fu seems to indicate is Slovenia? +7 950 is a Russian mobile number. It's a non-geographic n

FS: various books, including some old/classic/vintage

2018-10-02 Thread MG via cctalk
Anyone interested in the following books?     "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD: The Nonstop Webserver"   (Alan Winston, Digital Press, 2003, 454 p.)     "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 Hours"    (Thane Hubbell, SAMS, 1999, 477 p., incl. unused and   unopened CD-ROM)     "TRS-80 Assemb

Re: PDP-11 in russia?

2018-10-02 Thread Jonathan Katz via cctalk
IIRC +7 is Russian country code. Anything after that is probably a city or exchange. On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 14:04, Jay West via cctalk wrote: > Sorry, all I got was two sentences, a .ru email address and a +79 phone > number :) > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@

Re: Computer books and PC parts clearance

2018-10-02 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk
On 02/10/2018 13:56, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Andrew Luke Nesbit ullbeking at andrewnesbit.org > > > Where are you located? > > Like the listing says, "north side of Boston". I missed that part. Also, oops! I was intending to send my message off-list to Dave. I have f

RE: PDP-11 in russia?

2018-10-02 Thread Jay West via cctalk
Sorry, all I got was two sentences, a .ru email address and a +79 phone number :) -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 7:56 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: PDP-11 in russia

Re: Computer books and PC parts clearance

2018-10-02 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Andrew Luke Nesbit ullbeking at andrewnesbit.org > Where are you located? Like the listing says, "north side of Boston". Noel

Re: PDP-11 in russia?

2018-10-02 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 10/02/2018 08:52 AM, Jay West via cctalk wrote: > I do have a phone number for them. I am not really familiar with > international dialing, but it starts: > > +79507. which my google-fu seems to indicate is Slovenia? > > I wouldn't call a Slovenian a Russian to his face.  :-) It's also

RE: PDP-11 in russia?

2018-10-02 Thread Jay West via cctalk
I do have a phone number for them. I am not really familiar with international dialing, but it starts: +79507. which my google-fu seems to indicate is Slovenia? Maybe someone in the US could do the work if a tech-minded translator was available. J -Original Message- From: cctalk

Re: PDP-11 in russia?

2018-10-02 Thread Jonathan Katz via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM Jay West via cctalk wrote: > Someone has contacted me about a pdp-11 that controls a "measuring machine > dea epsilon". > Russia is a pretty big place. Any idea where? If we have list members in Ukraine versus Finland versus Romania it could make a huge difference

PDP-11 in russia?

2018-10-02 Thread Jay West via cctalk
Someone has contacted me about a pdp-11 that controls a "measuring machine dea epsilon". It appears that they want to replace the pdp-11 with a "ibm" (I'm guessing a pc), and then they would give the pdp-11 as a gift. That is all the info I have. Are there any listmembers in Russia who woul

RE: pdp-11/34 extravaganza

2018-10-02 Thread Jay West via cctalk
This was claimed by the way.. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West via cctalk Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:02 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: pdp-11/34 extravaganza I was contacted about an 11/34 system available. It

Re: Computer books and PC parts clearance

2018-10-02 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk
Dear Dave, Thank you for offering these. I'm in the UK and I need check a few things before I pay for international postage. Where are you located? On 02/10/2018 05:18, Dave Mitton via cctech wrote: > But I have added more stuff to the list, including some misc hardware bits. > The current lis

Re: Source code listings from REDAC PDP-based PCB layout system.

2018-10-02 Thread CuriousMarc via cctalk
I have a version of the Racal Redac CAD system for the HP 2647 or 2648 graphic terminal I believe. Several DC 100 tapes and one or two boards full of custom ROMs... No documentation. I have not tried to do anything with it yet. Marc On Oct 1, 2018, at 4:42 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: