On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
> Big Fat Disclaimer: I know very little about VMS. I'm a UNIX zealot.
>
> I work with a lot of VMS experts and being around them has taught me a lot
> more about it than I ever thought to learn
> ... I don't see any point in "UNIX vs VMS" w
Swift said:
> I think VMS is neat.
As a comp sci student I loved using VMS on our 11/780s at Uni, from first
year through final year where we also had the use of a Gould PN6080 UNIX mini.
(Aside - the Gould had one good drive, one flaky. The OS and staff accounts
were on one, student accounts and
>
> Greetings
>
> The DEC RRD40 CD-ROM drive requires a DEC caddy to insert and remove CD's from
> the drive. Does anyone have a spare caddy they could sell/post to me?
>
Hi Brendan,
I have a few but where I am is just about the furthest anyone can get from New
Zealand without leaving the planet
Asking for a friend... ;-)
An old buddy of mine picked up a PDP-11/73 at auction and we just went
over it tonight - cleaned out some spilled toner from some careless
stacking in a warehouse, and looked over the RL02 on top and it all
seems complete and good to go, except... the connector on the I/
> Am 13.07.2016 um 16:29 schrieb Eric Christopherson
> :
>
>> QuickDraw was almost literally the first code running on the Mac once it
>> switched to 68K.
>>
>
> Was there a pre-68K period in Mac development?
Yes, 6809: http://www.folklore.org -> search for 6809.
Regards
Götz
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Mouse wrote:
Personally, given the mess of MultiNet, TCP/IP Services, and TCPWare,
I wouldn't make that statement about networking *at all*.
If you think of "networking" as being "IP-based networking", yeah,
probably. But there's a lot more to networking than just IP.
Spe
> Personally, given the mess of MultiNet, TCP/IP Services, and TCPWare,
> I wouldn't make that statement about networking *at all*.
If you think of "networking" as being "IP-based networking", yeah,
probably. But there's a lot more to networking than just IP.
Specifically, I was talking about DEC
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/07/how-to-beat-super-mario-bros-3-in-less-than-a-second/
--
Eric Christopherson
I think a few list members who have seen the basement have taken a few
pictures. I have no problem if they want to post them to the list.
Some things change often depending on how I feel and if I have help.
I someone wants, I can try to take a few pics with my I phone and text them
to them so the
>
> > But having used VMS (as a student), the command line *sucked* (except
> > for the help facility---that blows the Unix man command out of the
> > water).
>
> I'm not sure I agree. The VMS command line I used sucked, but so did
> Unix shells of the time, and in many of the same ways.
>
What i
CP/M rights later passed through to Corel and Caldera.
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Swift Griggs wrote:
I have some foggy memory of Caldera using the "Digital Research" name, at
least internally and on some documents. However, it's been a long time and
the SCO-connected legacy left a terrible taste.
Yo
Thanks for the comments, it's always educational to get the viewpoints and
experiences from others, on items that are "shared ground".
I didn't mean to come off like an OS/2 fanatic. I started using OS/2 around
1990, early 1991 at the latest, and short of Unix (I wasn't a Unix fanatic at
the
It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Sean Conner wrote:
> > What I've read about VMS makes me think the networking was incredible.
>
> Big Fat Disclaimer: I know very little about VMS. I'm a UNIX zealot.
>
> I work with a lot of VMS experts and being a
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Ian Finder wrote:
> If you have one, please ping me. mine met a work accident today.
Do you happen to know if the key/keycap from an Apple Adjustable Keyboard
number pad would work? I bought a Quadra 660AV and Quadra 700 in the last
few months and the 660AV came with an AAKB
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Jerry Kemp wrote:
> I'm missing something here. Although most did/are using the Apple
> supplied GUI/Aqua, it wasn't a requirement.
Perhaps there is a way to run an X11 server without Aqua, but I don't know
of it. However, I'm far from an OSX expert.
> I have/run OpenWindo
If you have one, please ping me. mine met a work accident today.
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.fin...@gmail.com
I was running a 3 node VAXcluster in the late 1980s. We had two 8550s and
an 8820 connected via a CI star coupler to two HSC70 storage controllers
and 24 RA81 drives; two upright tape (TU78s?) drives too. The drives were
connected to both HSC70s in RAID 1 pairs. We had 11 pairs, a spare and a
quoru
On 07/14/16 12:42 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
Hmm. I didn't run into anyone who was a dyed-in-the-wool Apple fan who
wasn't over-the-moon excited about OSX. I thought it was pretty cool,
myself. However, on freeware UNIX variants I'm the guy who often just gets
sick of having graphics at all (eve
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Sean Conner wrote:
> What I've read about VMS makes me think the networking was incredible.
Big Fat Disclaimer: I know very little about VMS. I'm a UNIX zealot.
I work with a lot of VMS experts and being around them has taught me a lot
more about it than I ever thought to l
>> [...] VMS [...]
> What I've read about VMS makes me think the networking was
> incredible.
For its time, certainly. Even today, there are a few things a DECnet
stack does better than an IP stack.
> But having used VMS (as a student), the command line *sucked* (except
> for the help facility--
It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated:
> >> All the now-nostalgicized-over '80s OSes were pretty horribly
> >> unstable: [...]
>
> Personally - I went through my larval phase under it - I'd cite VMS as
> a counterexample. Even today I think a lot of OSes would do well to
> learn from
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:
GEM for the Atari ST is essntially a clone of MS-DOS functionality for
the 68K with a graphics enhancement tacked on. Yet I've never heard any
accusations that DRI "pirated" MS-DOS.
Ah, but what a funny lawsuit!!
A tempest in a teapot.
At least from w
On 7/14/2016 8:50 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
I do wish I'd got the chance to use Amigas to do something "real" when
they were state of the art. That or I wish I'd had an A500 the day they
hit the shelves and had all the cool games. I'm sure that would have been
a lot of fun.
I had hopes on the Am
I don't get the significance of any of this.
CP/M-80 is what, less than 16K of code (not counting the very few
utilities that come bundled with it)? It's not rocket science and pales
in comparison with the mainframe and mini OSes that were around at the
time--and indeed, some of the more advanced
On Jul 14, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
>
> IBM had looked at the PC market for a while. It was actually TJ Watson Jr
> that instructed that a “skunk” team
> be formed to see how quickly a PC with an IBM logo could be produced. He was
> afraid of Apple making
> inroads into IBM’
Bill Gates went down the street to SCP, and negotiated a deal
to be able to sell licenses to Q-DOS/86-DOS/SB-86 to an unnamed client.
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Rich Alderson wrote:
Not Bill Gates, Paul Allen, as detailed in his autobiography _Idea Man_.
Just for the record.
Thanks!
I appreciate co
>> All the now-nostalgicized-over '80s OSes were pretty horribly
>> unstable: [...]
Personally - I went through my larval phase under it - I'd cite VMS as
a counterexample. Even today I think a lot of OSes would do well to
learn from it. (Not that I think it's perfect, of course. But I do
think
From: Fred Cisin
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:47 AM
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Kip Koon wrote:
>> So I went on a reading spree and found out that CP/M was written by Gary
>> Kildall well before MS-DOS was supposedly by Bill Gates! It's a long
>> history that I obviously don't need to go into here
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:
> CP/M rights later passed through to Corel and Caldera.
I have some foggy memory of Caldera using the "Digital Research" name, at
least internally and on some documents. However, it's been a long time and
the SCO-connected legacy left a terrible taste.
Y
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
> That was one of the things people didn't talk about in the classic days.
> I supported classic MacOS Macs up until the early noughties. They were
> horribly unstable.
I had forgot myself until I recently started messing with OS8.1 again.
Anecdotally, la
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
meeting. I'm guessing I will never be a BMW fan or a NeXT bigot.
Wouldn't know. I don't do cars. I like BMW bikes, though. Had an R80/7
with a sidecar for many years.
I like BMW bikes, and even the imitations (Ural, Dnepr).
I love the Isetta, but somehow
When IBM decided to take over the personal computer market, they didn't do
their homework very well.
Intel convinced them to use the 8088, to have a gateway into 16 bit, instead of
building a true 8 bit machine.
One of the IBM people had seen a "Microsoft Softcard" (a Z80 co-processor plus
CP/M
On 12 July 2016 at 18:10, Steve Browne wrote:
> The ZX Spectrum Next is going to be interesting http://www.specnext.com/
>
> Look at that industrial design! Designed by Rick Dickinson who was behind
> the ZX80,ZX81, ZX Spectrum, Spectrum Plus and QL
It's pretty but they're only renders so fa
On 14 July 2016 at 17:56, Brad H wrote:
> My question about the FPGA Amigas is can you not just emulate pretty much
> anything on a PC these days? I never tried Amiga emulation (if I have the
> real thing I always go to that). Not sure how much the emulators can
> handle.
Yes you can, and somet
I have kind of a counter around my 'office' and I've laid out stuff on top
of and under it (and even stuff on top of the stuff). I have one 'work'
desk where I set up a machine or two and play. My Digital Group Z80 has
been occupying that spot for months -- just too much fun to play with. But
my
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
>
> When IBM decided to take over the personal computer market, they didn't do
> their homework very well.
> Intel convinced them to use the 8088, to have a gateway into 16 bit, instead
> of building a true 8 bit machine.
> One of the IBM peo
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Kip Koon wrote:
Hi Guys,
I have been suspicious of Microsoft pirating CP/M for decades! Back in
my twenties, I was reading about CP/M in the college library where I
attended thinking, "Wow! CP/M looks EXACTLY like MS-DOS!" So I went on
a reading spree and found out that
I have several extra if you are looking for Qbus cpus for the cost of shipping.
Contract me off list.
Kirk
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:05 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>
>> From: Devin Davison
>
>> I have a spare unibus chasis and am have been looking for a cpu card
>> for a while.
>
> Umm, those CPUs
On 12 July 2016 at 20:06, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
>> I vaguely recall seeing some in a mag at the time. It looked a bit like
>> Mac apps running on CDE, if I remember correctly. The in-window menus
>> were weird (for a Mac) and made it look more Windows-like.
On 13 July 2016 at 07:39, Chris Hanson wrote:
> (How do you think it was possible for there to be multiple OS releases for
> the Mac after the first Mac 128 shipped? They didn’t tell people to crack
> open their systems and install new ROMs…)
Apple didn't, no. But Commodore, Atari and Acorn di
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Jules Richardson
wrote:
> I found various DEC (Qbus?) boards at my local tame recycler earlier.
Neat! I used to have a friendly scrapper for a friend - got a BA23
from him, and some VAXBI boards (because was quite happy to pay him
well over the gold value) - but
will Bob Zeidman's talk be video recorded?
Yes. We're also thinking about a live stream. TBD.
If so, where is the video repository for past VCF seminars?
Most of the talks from VCF East are here:
https://www.youtube.com/c/VintageComputerFederation501c3
We have the raw footage from past VCF
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, Brad H wrote:
> I think the Amiga project is neat, although personally I'm not sure I'd
> find a need for one.
I have an Amiga 3000 (my personal favorite), but I have limited space so I
can only have about two "classic" systems set up at once (and those are
usually SGI mach
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Wow, I really (bleeped) that one! Subject line indeed should have been "CP/M
code in DOS" not the opposite. Sorry. :)
Then my entire time travel hypothesis is for naught.
I have to laugh at myself. I just realized that when I read the title of the email,
I thought it had said CP/M code in DOS? Revisited..." Sometimes I really think
I'm dyslexic. Maybe. In love with computers, definitely. I think I was born with
food in one hand and computers in the other wi
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:44:19AM -0500, Sam O'nella wrote:
> I haven't built or marketed anything myself but i believe if i understood
> correctly from several folks who have that vga was a cheaper choice due to
> licensing costs for dvi or hdmi at the time.
Parts of DVI are patented, but ther
> From: Devin Davison
> I have a spare unibus chasis and am have been looking for a cpu card
> for a while.
Umm, those CPUs are all QBUS CPUs, not UNIBUS. Was your "unibus" a typo for
'QBUS'? If not, all those CPU boards are, alas, of no use to you.
> The memory boards M8067, rea
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sam
> O'nella
> Sent: 14 July 2016 06:44
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: RE: Reproduction micros
>
> I haven't built or marketed anything myself but i believe if i
>
Greetings
The DEC RRD40 CD-ROM drive requires a DEC caddy to insert and remove CD’s from
the drive. Does anyone have a spare caddy they could sell/post to me?
Details of caddy in this document link below, however if you don’t know what it
is you are probably unlikely to have one.
http://www.c
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