I wrote:
> Another CHM volunteer (from the PDP-1 Restoration Project) and I
> pushed for an IBM 360/30 Restoration Project, and the ability to build
> replacements for failed SLT modules was part of our plan.
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
> I am still trying to figure i
sorry, I was looking at archived mail from 2010 and didn't realize it..
On 5/26/16 9:34 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>
> On 5/7/10 11:35 AM, Roger Holmes wrote:
>>
>> Could developers modify it any include it in heir commercial 64 bit Intel
>> applications for instance?
>>
>
> No
>
> It was made av
On 5/7/10 11:35 AM, Roger Holmes wrote:
>
> Could developers modify it any include it in heir commercial 64 bit Intel
> applications for instance?
>
No
It was made available by Apple for non-commercial use
> Another CHM volunteer (from the PDP-1 Restoration Project) and I
> pushed for an IBM 360/30 Restoration Project, and the ability to build
> replacements for failed SLT modules was part of our plan.
I am still trying to figure in which universe are SLT modules so rare
that one needs to fabricate
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On 05/26/2016 06:18 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
>>
>> It was a few years ago now and it's third hand - but I was told that the
>> US Navy still maintained a shop dedicated exclusively to repairing IBM SLT
>> modules... can't vouch for the veracity of th
On 2016-05-26 10:48 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Toby Thain wrote:
On 2016-05-26 3:17 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Fred Cisin wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this
morning too:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-ca
On 5/26/2016 2:25 PM, Jay West wrote:
Of course, this p-code was executed
interpretively. By missionary instructions;)
On the microcoded machines, the 1600 and Ultimate (honeywell level 6,
and also custom bit slice microengines) systems in particular, the
interpreter was assisted by a macro i
Toby Thain wrote:
> On 2016-05-26 3:17 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
> > Fred Cisin wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> >>> A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this
> >>> morning too:
> >>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839
> >>> ex
I begged for it anyway, and was told that because it was part of an active
program (testing for some fighter jet), it was still in use. When I
suggested modernizing, I was told that changing the hardware would require
*re-certifying the entire workflow*. In other words, it was far more
economica
On Thu, 26 May 2016, Jay West wrote:
Interesting to note - pick basic used p-code. The basic "compiler" (written
It still does, unless the code (under D3) has been "flash" compiled -
which turns the BASIC code into C and then feeds THAT into cc.
Note that the BASIC compiler in OpenQM (and S
On 05/26/2016 06:20 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
> While the existence of such projects is ... questionable to begin
> with, one might think the continual under-delivery (across all
> military boondoggles) might give taxpayers pause.
I see a lot of "we're going to do it because we can, not because it's
On 2016-05-26 2:39 PM, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
And, THAT is why it MUST be replaced immediately by "modern" hardware
and software, to put an end to that. Windows10 can change that.
Yes, and while we're at it, put it in "the cloud" so tha
On 2016-05-26 3:17 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Fred Cisin wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this
morning too:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839
extract:
The report said that the Departm
On 05/26/2016 06:18 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
It was a few years ago now and it's third hand - but I was
told that the US Navy still maintained a shop dedicated
exclusively to repairing IBM SLT modules... can't vouch
for the veracity of that; perhaps someone else can.
http://www.corestore.org
Hmm,
On 05/26/2016 05:57 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> The B2 bomber gets the mission data loaded on a Maxxoptix optical
> cartridge. I recognized it as I have a Maxxoptix drive here. Not
> quite as old as 7-track mag tape, but a fairly old technology. it
> was probably state of the art when the were firs
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They used 7 track tapes for Nike Ajax targeting data that could not be
erased
due to how they were recorded.
The
On 27 May 2016 at 01:54, John Willis wrote:
>> The 8088/8086 had a 20-bit address bus, differing mainly in the width
>> of the *data* bus, and the later 80286 had a 16-bit address bus.
>>
>
> The 80286 had a 24-bit address bus (16MB)
Sorry! Typo. It's nearly 2AM here in Czechia. I think I need t
> The 8088/8086 had a 20-bit address bus, differing mainly in the width
> of the *data* bus, and the later 80286 had a 16-bit address bus.
>
The 80286 had a 24-bit address bus (16MB)
--
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Coherent Logic Development LLC
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On Fri, 27 May 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
So I was broadly right that the 8088/8086 sit somewhere on the
dividing line? That at least is good to know!
Of course.
That is exactly the point.
How you draw the line, determines which side it will fall, and it is right
in the middle, so many otherwise
On 24 May 2016 at 23:10, Fred Cisin wrote:
> Whether 8088 was an "8 bit" or "16 bit" processor depends heavily on how you
> define those.
> Or, you could phrase it, that the 8 bit processors at the time handled 64KiB
> of RAM.
OK, thank you all for the responses.
Rarely have I felt so lectured
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 4:27 AM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this
> morning too:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839
>
> extract:
> The report said that the Department of Defence systems that
> co-ordin
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Noel Chiappa
wrote:
> > From: Ethan O'Toole
>
> > Might not be a bad idea to make a wiki page somewhere and ... source
> > generic replacements. This way vendor/part# of modern replacements
> can
> > be had for old belt drive floppys and computer t
tor 2016-05-26 klockan 11:21 -0700 skrev Ian McLaughlin:
> Last year I made a day trip from Kelowna BC to Seattle Washington to pick up
> a Northstar Horizon, and I paid cash ($100 if I recall correctly).
>
> When I arrived back at the border, I got the third degree about the computer.
> The ag
> From: Ethan O'Toole
> Might not be a bad idea to make a wiki page somewhere and ... source
> generic replacements. This way vendor/part# of modern replacements can
> be had for old belt drive floppys and computer tape drives?
> I think the audio cassette deck enthusiasts do s
Chuck wrote...
Meh, I'll not too willingly concede that one. P-code is also a made-up
machine language.
But one difference I'll toss out there... p-code wasn't meant to be written
in directly. Pick assembler was; so it included the full suite of ORG, EQU,
MACRO, LIST, NOLIST ty
I did work in UNIX on a Series-1 in the telecom space. It probably
still is in use. About like an AS/400. They were built like tanks
and never seemed to break.
Thanks,
Bryan
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Jay West wrote:
> Brent wrote...
> --
> The report said that the Departm
On 05/26/2016 12:27 PM, Jay West wrote:
> Chuck wrote... (regarding assembly, not machine language): ---
> "typically tied to hardware"? Can anyone cite a case where it was
> not? --- Absolutely. The Pick Operating System assembly language.
> They could not afford a machine when they bega
On 26/05/2016 19:03, Brent Hilpert wrote:
All this reminds me of the systems I've missed out on:
A few years ago, a high school acquaintance I chanced to meet and who
was working in operations control at a local oil refinery told me the
large multi-rack PDP-11 system for process control had been
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 08:35:33PM +0100, Dave Wade wrote:
> one salesman claims to have sold 1,000.
And we know salesmen would never, ever, lie.
mcl
> On May 26, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Jay West wrote:
>
> Chuck wrote... (regarding assembly, not machine language):
> ---
> "typically tied to hardware"? Can anyone cite a case where it was not?
> ---
> Absolutely. The Pick Operating System assembly language.
MIX would be another example. O
Chuck wrote... (regarding assembly, not machine language):
---
"typically tied to hardware"? Can anyone cite a case where it was not?
---
Absolutely. The Pick Operating System assembly language. They could not
afford a machine when they began development of the OS. So they wrote the
entire
On 2016-05-26 4:01 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 03:31:42PM -0300, Paul Berger wrote:
On 2016-05-26 2:32 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
...
http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/01/000/186.pdf
Yeah the Bruce plant used to run on PDP-8s, a friend of mine
Fred Cisin wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> > A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this
> > morning too:
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839
> > extract:
> > The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 03:31:42PM -0300, Paul Berger wrote:
> On 2016-05-26 2:32 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
...
> >
> > http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/01/000/186.pdf
> >
> >
> Yeah the Bruce plant used to run on PDP-8s, a friend of mine worked
> there on a work ter
On 2016-05-26 1:43 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 05/26/2016 08:54 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Speaking of ribbons, in college I occasionally used a type of ribbon
I've never seen on line printers since: a film ribbon. Think of the
"letter quality" ribbons used on professional typewriters, or daisy
whee
What about rubber belts for floppy drives? Spares will have perished as
well...
Might not be a bad idea to make a wiki page somewhere and measure the
belts / source generic replacements. This way vendor/part# of modern
replacements can be had for old belt drive floppys and computer tape
drive
On 2016-05-26 1:53 PM, Jay West wrote:
Brent wrote...
--
The report said that the Department of Defence systems that
co-ordinated
intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and tanker
support aircraft
"runs on an IBM Series-1 Computer - a 1970s computing syst
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
> And, THAT is why it MUST be replaced immediately by "modern" hardware
> and software, to put an end to that. Windows10 can change that.
>
>
Yes, and while we're at it, put it in "the cloud" so that the we can have
an app for "red button." ;
Have all your ducks in a row, have a plan B just in case.
--
Will
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Ian Finder wrote:
> Sorry to clarify I am bringing this back in person
>
> On Thursday, May 26, 2016, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
>
>> My DS570 came from Canada. The biggest issue is to have a shippe
On 2016-05-26 2:32 PM, Diane Bruce wrote:
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 06:19:51PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:
On 26/05/2016 17:48, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio
this morning too:
http://www.bbc.co
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Cisin
> Sent: 26 May 2016 17:48
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: vintage computers in active use
>
> On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> > A friend n
Last year I made a day trip from Kelowna BC to Seattle Washington to pick up a
Northstar Horizon, and I paid cash ($100 if I recall correctly).
When I arrived back at the border, I got the third degree about the computer.
The agent didn’t believe that I would make a 14 hour round trip to pick up
You will still need the information and documentation because you are
“importing”
the item. A bill of sale and all of the custom forms will be required.
TTFN - Guy
> On May 26, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Ian Finder wrote:
>
> Sorry to clarify I am bringing this back in person
>
> On Thursday, May 26
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of dwight
> Sent: 26 May 2016 18:23
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: vintage computers in active use
>
> It is interesting that the military may not be able to use W10
Sorry to clarify I am bringing this back in person
On Thursday, May 26, 2016, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
> My DS570 came from Canada. The biggest issue is to have a shipper that is
> well versed in dealing with international shipping and knows how to deal
> with
> customs. Be clear on the customs
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jwsmobile
> Sent: 26 May 2016 18:47
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: vintage computers in active use
>
>
>
> On 5/26/2016 10:22 AM, dwight wrote:
> > It is intere
My DS570 came from Canada. The biggest issue is to have a shipper that is
well versed in dealing with international shipping and knows how to deal with
customs. Be clear on the customs/shipping documents about the country of
origin and the value. You will need a bill of lading. Be warned, decla
On 2016-May-26, at 10:32 AM, Diane Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 06:19:51PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:
>>
>> On 26/05/2016 17:48, Fred Cisin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio
this morning to
I took a quick look at that GAO report. It clearly is not all that accurate.
In a discussion of "old" systems, it mentions a system with "reported age 52
years" but it "runs on windows server 2008 and is programmed in Java". Yeah,
right. I wonder if it's ignorance speaking, or an attempt to
Self explanatory- asking other computer collectors here to see if anyone
has experience.
Will there be any trouble bringing them across?
They look weird and big, but they have no real commercial value and are
just going to my personal computer collection.
Anything I need? I think both were manuf
On 05/26/2016 12:33 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
On 2016-May-25, at 6:14 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 05/25/2016 05:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Jon Elson
>> I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service
>> bureau machine; it had (IIRC) ... a 4301 printer.
On 5/26/2016 10:22 AM, dwight wrote:
It is interesting that the military may not be able to use W10.
I doubt it can meet tempest requirements without major changes.
Dwight
There is a lot of phone home crap in windows. A friend who otherwise
had not worried about such things is starting to fo
"According to the report, the US treasury also needed to upgrade its
systems, which it said was using "assembly language code - a computer
language initially used in the 1950s and typically tied to the hardware
for which it was developed"."
On Thu, 26 May 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Assembly is st
On 2016-May-25, at 6:14 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On 05/25/2016 05:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> > From: Jon Elson
>>
>> >> I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service
>> >> bureau machine; it had (IIRC) ... a 4301 printer.
>>
>> > I'm guessing, maybe, that
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 06:19:51PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:
>
> On 26/05/2016 17:48, Fred Cisin wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> >> A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio
> >> this morning too:
> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-
On 05/26/2016 09:48 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> "According to the report, the US treasury also needed to upgrade its
> systems, which it said was using "assembly language code - a computer
> language initially used in the 1950s and typically tied to the hardware
> for which it was developed"."
Assemb
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Namens Fred Cisin
> Verzonden: donderdag 26 mei 2016 18:48
> Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Onderwerp: Re: vintage computers in active use
>
> On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote
It is interesting that the military may not be able to use W10.
I doubt it can meet tempest requirements without major changes.
Dwight
From: cctalk on behalf of Rod Smallwood
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:19:51 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and
On 26/05/2016 17:48, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio
this morning too:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839
extract:
The report said that the Department of Defence systems that
On 05/26/2016 06:51 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> Apart from that, it's not credible for another reason. CDC Cyber
> operating systems always spooled printer output to disk (unlike
> OS/360 which did it in some variants but not others -- notably not
> OS/360 PCP which I used since our 360/44 wasn't bi
Brent wrote...
--
The report said that the Department of Defence systems that
co-ordinated
intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and tanker
support aircraft
"runs on an IBM Series-1 Computer - a 1970s computing system - and
uses
eight-inch floppy d
On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this
morning too:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839
extract:
The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated
intercontinen
On 05/26/2016 08:54 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Speaking of ribbons, in college I occasionally used a type of ribbon I've never seen on
line printers since: a film ribbon. Think of the "letter quality" ribbons used
on professional typewriters, or daisy wheel printers, a thin plastic film with som
On 05/26/2016 05:02 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
In addition to reading/writing memory locations, and basic machine control
(boot, start, stop, continue, single-step, etc), some machines had additional
functionality, but what it was (if any) varied widely from machine to machine.
Most IBM 360's had
A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this
morning too:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839
extract:
The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated
intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and
A listmember has stepped forward to take over the Mont Vernon NH haul.
Best,
J
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Noel Chiappa
wrote:
> > From: William Degnan
>
> > Here is the layout starting from slot 9/11 of the expansion cabinet
>
> Just slot numbers by themselves aren't much use, because if there are any
> non-UNIBUS backplanes (e.g. custom backplanes for core me
> On May 25, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 05/25/2016 07:22 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
>
>> Speaking of dumps I remember an engineer friend telling me that at
>> the university that he went to they had a CDC Cyber system and they
>> discovered that you could initiate a dump from any
> On May 25, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
>
>> ...
> Yeah I watch some of the large system guys disassemble and repair trains and
> of course when you put them back together you had to make sure the slugs
> where all in the right order. We had customers that would buy 3rd party
> ri
> From: William Degnan
> Here is the layout starting from slot 9/11 of the expansion cabinet
Just slot numbers by themselves aren't much use, because if there are any
non-UNIBUS backplanes (e.g. custom backplanes for core memory, for an RH11 -
which has its own custom backplane, you can't
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 24 May 2016, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
>
>> It probably still impressed the suits when they walked the data center.
>> I've done data center tours with row after row of HP or Dell x86 servers
>> and it's not much to look at.
>>
>> -Swif
>
> > There are jumpers on this card. W1, W2, W. I did not find any
> specific
> > examples online of scenarios for the jumpers
> > ...
> > I think I get why one would remove the W2 jumper but if W1 is removed
> > (open) instead can someone give me an example scenario for when y
This one is a little sketchy; location is Mont Vernon, NH. Situation is a
lady's husband passed away and shes going through all his DEC stuff. She
would like to sell it, but has no idea what it is all worth. I do not have a
list that is really useful, so someone would need to contact her, go onsite
On 25/05/2016 5:06 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:
I used to have a notebook of toggle in programs for the PDP8s and PDP11s,
but it seems to be lost forever.
Not being a software person it takes me hours to write and debug the
simplest routines. Is there a site with a list of toggle in maintenance
prog
On 25/05/2016 5:06 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:
I used to have a notebook of toggle in programs for the PDP8s and PDP11s,
but it seems to be lost forever.
Not being a software person it takes me hours to write and debug the
simplest routines. Is there a site with a list of toggle in maintenance
prog
> From: Bill Degnan
> I have an M9300 bus terminator which I read is the same as a M930 with
> the NPR logic (so you don't also need an NPR terminator in slot 3/4).
Err, the M9300 would go in the same place as a M930, i.e. the UNIBUS in/out
dual connector group, usually at the top (A/
Jules Richardson writes:
> For Unix "on a BBC" I think the only option was System III from Torch
> running on a m68k "Atlas" co-processor.
Do any of the early PC Unixes (Venix, PC/IX, etc. -- or clones like
Coherent or Minix) work on the Master 512's 80186 coprocessor?
--
Adam Sampson
> From: Swift Griggs
> I'm curious about all these older machines with front panel buttons and
> switches. What all did they do?
In addition to reading/writing memory locations, and basic machine control
(boot, start, stop, continue, single-step, etc), some machines had additional
fu
So the Wikipedia article isn't lying, there are some passing references
to UNIX on the BBC. I have a BBC but not a Tube... I am wondering what I
can find for BeebEm.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting.
Aaron
> On 05/25/2016 08:36 AM, Aaron Jackson wrote:
>> I just revisited the Wikipedia p
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