Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

I know its too much to wish for, but as I look at your Sun 2000E comment, I can't but hope and wonder if you are anywhere near the DFW metroplex area? Jerry On 03/30/16 06:11 PM, Michael Thompson wrote: I brought the Sun 2000E home, and its still here. I have to thin the herd a little so

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

"Claiming that any MSFT product is "abandonware" is absurd. They DO very much care." You dang well know it. Do you even have any idea just how much of Windows 386 is still in the NT5 / Win10 codebase?! ;-) On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 3/30/16 6:26 PM, Paul Koning w

Apple at 40

I wish to congratulate Apple on its 40 anniversary today. An early pioneer in our cherished hobby. Happy computing. Murray :)

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

On 3/30/16 6:26 PM, Paul Koning wrote: I have a few ideas of my own.. but for now, I'd like to hear other members thoughts on the matter. Ultimately, it might necessarily involve bringing the rights holders and/or publishers over on to "our side". Yes, that's precisely correct. And doing

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

> On Mar 30, 2016, at 7:44 PM, drlegendre . wrote: > > It cannot be overemphasized, that this is one of those situations wherein > it seriously behooves the enthusiast community to sort this one out on our > own, before some heavy-handed lawyer types - with big dollar signs in their > eyes - sor

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

(As as side-note, it's of interest that arcade and home video game console ROMs, from roughly the same era, don't seem to fall into the abandonware class.. at least not so far as I have seen. Is this because the copyright holders are most often large, visible corporations? Perhaps, but it's also c

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

Give him another thirty years, he'll be as jaded and cranky as the best of us. ;-) (Kidding aside, it's all very heartwarming.) On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 6:11 PM, Michael Thompson < michael.99.thomp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 22:07:37 -0400 > > From: Brian Marstella > > S

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

It cannot be overemphasized, that this is one of those situations wherein it seriously behooves the enthusiast community to sort this one out on our own, before some heavy-handed lawyer types - with big dollar signs in their eyes - sorts all of it for us.. because we all know how that would most li

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

> > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 22:07:37 -0400 > From: Brian Marstella > Subject: Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a > mainframe... > > I'm still kicking myself for passing up an IBM mainframe and a Sun 2000 > that my previous employer no longer needed. I reasoned that I didn't

Re: Random VGA question: 160x200 "high color" mode?

On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 02:05:56 -0600, Ryan Eisworth wrote: [...] > On another note… a while back I read an article that said John Carmack (one > of the Doom developers) is wrote Quake on a 28-inch 16:9 CRT made by > Silicon Graphics/Intergraph that was capable of running at 2042x1152. See: >

Re: WinWorld

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > Sure, and that makes sense. This means, of course, that making a good faith > attempt to get permission and then use the Google approach :-) is reasonable. > What isn't reasonable is a blanket assumption that anything that's even > mildl

Re: WinWorld

> On Mar 30, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Christopher Satterfield > wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Paul Koning > wrote: >> >> In any case, the concern some of us have is that the "abandonware" site, >> by its definitions, clearly does not appear to care about licenses or >> copyright. Tha

Re: "Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Mouse wrote: As I understand the term, the rights owner has to be nonexistent or to have proved unidentifiable or uncontactable (re which see below). The case where the owner clearly exists but demonstrably does not care about the software is, to my mind, a grey area. Disu

Re: WinWorld

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > In any case, the concern some of us have is that the "abandonware" site, > by its definitions, clearly does not appear to care about licenses or > copyright. That should give those of us who DO take care to operate by the > rules -- with pr

Re: WinWorld

> From: Fred Cisin > All this time, I thought that you had to be DEAD before they could take > your work. Actually, in most jurisdictions, it's death+N years. In the US, thanks to the sleaziness of Congress, and the spinlessness of the US Supreme Court, N is now 70. Noel

Re: WinWorld

So, if you are a software author, if you won't SUPPORT stuff that you did over 7 years ago, they believe that they have a right to distribute it? On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Liam Proven wrote: No, not the same thing. I think the more important question is/are: Will the original author still *sell* it t

Re: WinWorld

> On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > > On 30 March 2016 at 18:58, Fred Cisin wrote: >> They define "abandonware" as: >> "In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a general >> guideline: >> Be over 7 years old. >> Be out of support by the manufacturer. >> Be

Re: WinWorld

On 3/30/2016 10:58 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: They define "abandonware" as: "In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a general guideline: Be over 7 years old. Be out of support by the manufacturer. Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)" So, if you are a soft

Re: WinWorld

On 30 March 2016 at 18:58, Fred Cisin wrote: > They define "abandonware" as: > "In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a general > guideline: > Be over 7 years old. > Be out of support by the manufacturer. > Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)" > > So,

"Abandonware" and copyright [was Re: WinWorld]

> They define "abandonware" as: > "In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a > general guideline: > Be over 7 years old. > Be out of support by the manufacturer. > Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)" That's...yes, a peculiar definition, I would say. A

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

On 03/30/2016 10:51 AM, William Donzelli wrote: Somebody mentioned a house with a collapsed floor. A friend of mine bought two 770/145s and a GE/Intersil memory box. (I bought the other memory box, in 1979 or so, a **MEG** of memory was a big deal!) I assume you mean 370/145s/ Yes. Whateve

Re: 11/23+ going cheap on eBay

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 6:07 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > So here's an 11/23+ in a nice BA11 box: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/322046582015 > > If I wasn't _already_ knee deep in the blasted things, I'd buy it myself! ;-) > > The other cards aren't too interesting - an MXV11-A, MRV11-C (I think), a

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

First access was when I was 16 and used the remains of 3 Teletype 33's to make one working unit, the same neighbor who got me the machines help get and fix a modem, I had access to the the HP 2000C at the local college from home. (guess the year). First oldie computer was a then not oldie Burrough

R: Re: RSX-11 trouble

Well... REM ...AT. worked since an AT entry was present in the TAL output INS $BIGIND not INS -- File not found Disk (RD51) has 850 blocks free after some cleaning up. It had 738 before.

Re: WinWorld

They define "abandonware" as: "In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a general guideline: Be over 7 years old. Be out of support by the manufacturer. Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)" So, if you are a software author, if you won't SUPPORT stuff

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

On 03/30/2016 10:40 AM, Jon Elson wrote: On 03/29/2016 10:01 PM, Jim Brain wrote: Somebody mentioned a house with a collapsed floor. A friend of mine bought two 770/145s Ugh, 370/145 Jon

RC2014 homebrew computer

I confess it is in no way a classic machine, but I thought that this might be of interest to some people here. I had not heard of it before until a chance retweet from a ZX Spectrum-related account today: http://rc2014.co.uk/ « RC2014 is a simple 8 bit Z80 based modular computer. It is inspired

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

On 29 March 2016 at 21:34, geneb wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45X4VP8CGtk > > It's pretty entertaining. :) I just Tweeted this. Great story, and a great presentation. This is the link to the Share Songbook, BTW: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ot79z78u3zd6vxs/SHARE%20Songbook.pdf?dl=0 -

Re: WinWorld

On 3/30/2016 9:12 AM, et...@757.org wrote: Sigh. It's unfortunate to see people pushing the nonexistent and legally farcical notion of "abandonware". The "definition" given on the site creates the pretense that the term is actually meaningful, but this is flat out wrong and misleading. paul

MiST - Amiga ST FPGA + intro

http://lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=96 I recently picked up one of these devices. I'll apologize in advance if you folks have already had a discussion about the MiST. Basically, it's an FPGA that's capable of emulation (for lack of a better term) of many platforms on a hardware level. I only g

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

> Somebody mentioned a house with a collapsed floor. A friend of mine bought > two 770/145s and a GE/Intersil memory box. (I bought the other memory box, > in 1979 or so, a **MEG** of memory was a big deal!) I assume you mean 370/145s/ Whatever happened to them? In 1979, they would have been sti

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

> On Mar 30, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 03/29/2016 10:01 PM, Jim Brain wrote: > Somebody mentioned a house with a collapsed floor. A friend of mine bought > two 770/145s and a GE/Intersil memory box. (I bought the other memory box, > in 1979 or so, a **MEG** of memory was a b

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

On 03/29/2016 10:01 PM, Jim Brain wrote: Somebody mentioned a house with a collapsed floor. A friend of mine bought two 770/145s and a GE/Intersil memory box. (I bought the other memory box, in 1979 or so, a **MEG** of memory was a big deal!) I am amazed we did not collapse the floor in his

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

I started getting serious about collecting vintage computers when I was about 20, so not much older. That was in 1993, and I was scrounging PDP-11/23s and VT100s and VT220s, so most of what I was finding was 10-15 years old at that point. The more things change, the more they stay the same! -Seth

Re: WinWorld

>> WinWorld is an online museum dedicated to the preservation and >> sharing of abandonware ... > Sigh. It's unfortunate to see people pushing the nonexistent and legally fa$ Well, it _is_ a meaningful term (albeit with a fuzzier than usual meaning); if people write of "abandonware" most readers

Re: WinWorld

Sigh. It's unfortunate to see people pushing the nonexistent and legally farcical notion of "abandonware". The "definition" given on the site creates the pretense that the term is actually meaningful, but this is flat out wrong and misleading. paul Situation A: Lost forever Situatio

Re: WinWorld

> On Mar 30, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > Quote: > > « > WinWorld from the past, to the present, for the future > > WinWorld is an online museum dedicated to the preservation and sharing > of abandonware ... Sigh. It's unfortunate to see people pushing the nonexistent and legall

RE: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

John wrote - There's an IRC channel? What IRC network is it on? - Freenode, #classiccmp It tends to be more of a hangout "water cooler talk" for us than a technical forum, but I'm there most every evening from 8pmCST onward. J

WinWorld

Quote: « WinWorld from the past, to the present, for the future WinWorld is an online museum dedicated to the preservation and sharing of abandonware and pre-release software, as well as any and all knowledge associated with such works. We offer information, media and downloads for a wide variety

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

> > > He's been a member on this list for quite some time, and is a regular on > the evening crew of the #classiccmp irc channel as well. > There's an IRC channel? What IRC network is it on?

11/23+ going cheap on eBay

So here's an 11/23+ in a nice BA11 box: http://www.ebay.com/itm/322046582015 If I wasn't _already_ knee deep in the blasted things, I'd buy it myself! ;-) The other cards aren't too interesting - an MXV11-A, MRV11-C (I think), a 64KB memory card, and what looks like an off-brand DLV11-J; and s

OT: was: Re: AT&T Uverse IPv6 vs. Mac OS X 10.(old)

Apologies all for the OT; just a few _brief_ replies. If anyone wants a serious discussion about this, the internet-history list would be the place to start it. > From: Charles Anthony > What they did was 'NAT plus IPV6 will solve everything.' Yes, but not explicitly; the 'official' IE

Re: PDP-11 M873 ROM card info?

> Does anyone have a -YB we can dump? Can I repeat my plea for this? (And also a -YC?) > I have a -YA, and will dump that in a few moments OK, I'm mostly done with the disassembly; available here: http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/M873-YA.mac I haven't fully understood the TA

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

Yes, we're talking address space here. The 390 had 31-bit addresses. Op 30 mrt. 2016 10:49 a.m. schreef "Mark Linimon" : > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 08:34:00PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Linimon > wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 03:54:40PM +1300, Mike Ros

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 08:34:00PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Linimon > wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 03:54:40PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: > > >> they were strictly 31-bit only. > > > > > > Dang,

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

Long time I don't laugh so hard! :D 2016-03-30 7:48 GMT-03:00 Raymond Wiker : > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Mark Linimon > wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 08:34:00PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Linimon > > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at

Re: RSX-11 trouble

Does REM ...AT. INS $BIGIND/PRI=10. work? The first cmd may cause an error, if there is no AT loaded at all. The second will install larger the 12K version of IND if present, a prerequisite for a sysgen that may be also used in normal operation. It is IIRC rather uncommon to discard IND f

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 03:54:40PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: >> they were strictly 31-bit only. > > Dang, I suspected they were hobbled, but that's painful. > > mcl Not in the least; when they were designed and built Z-Architecture wasn't even

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 08:34:00PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 03:54:40PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: > >> they were strictly 31-bit only. > > > > Dang, I suspected they were hobbled, but that's painful. I guess I didn't h

Re: Here's what happens when an 18 year old buys a mainframe...

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 03:54:40PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: > they were strictly 31-bit only. Dang, I suspected they were hobbled, but that's painful. mcl