Re: One more try - Can you ID this S-100 Serial board?

2015-09-30 Thread chocolatejollis38
> > Been trying to no avail to find any info on this 'MCT' S-100 serial card. Could this MCT be Modular Circuit Technology, the generic brand of add on cards once sold in the JDR Microdevices catalog?

Re: One more try - Can you ID this S-100 Serial board?

2015-09-30 Thread drlegendre .
Hey guys, I'm fairly certain this is a serial board - mostly because the PO told me so, and when I received it, it had a 25-pin male connector on a three-wire cable carelessly soldered to the pads behind one of the cable headers on the top edge. But the cable was removed as a matter of course when

RE: One more try - Can you ID this S-100 Serial board?

2015-09-30 Thread tony duell
> I couldn't spot how they did level shifting to RS232 levels. The SI > signal appears to go to a 7400 next to one of the Uarts. There are a couple of 8 pin ICs near the 10 pin headers, they look to be 1458 dual op-amps (I can't exactly make out the numbers...). Op-amps were often used as RS23

Re: One more try - Can you ID this S-100 Serial board?

2015-09-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, jwsmobile wrote: I couldn't spot how they did level shifting to RS232 levels. The SI signal appears to go to a 7400 next to one of the Uarts. One of the Uarts is one which requires it would seem 12 v as well, but it doesn't do the levels for rs232 (AY-3-1015) I'd need

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Sean Caron
Well, it's all the same Linux kernel; for each branch of each distribution, they pick a kernel train they want to run with and then backport patches as required for security or device driver support from more modern kernels ... Nothing to stop you from running X kernel (or Z window manager) on Y di

Re: One more try - Can you ID this S-100 Serial board?

2015-09-30 Thread jwsmobile
I couldn't spot how they did level shifting to RS232 levels. The SI signal appears to go to a 7400 next to one of the Uarts. One of the Uarts is one which requires it would seem 12 v as well, but it doesn't do the levels for rs232 (AY-3-1015) I'd need sharper images and possession of the bo

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, John Robertson wrote: On 09/30/2015 5:22 PM, Tothwolf wrote: I bought a kit from anatekcorp.com last year to replace my Dick Smith version that spouted legs and was rather disappointed with how it had been kitted up. A lot of the components were very low quality or did no

Re: One more try - Can you ID this S-100 Serial board?

2015-09-30 Thread drlegendre .
In fact, I did not. Thanks for the tip! ;-) On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:18 PM, william degnan wrote: > Did you try asking @ retrotechnology.com > > Bill Degnan > twitter: billdeg > vintagecomputer.net > On Sep 30, 2015 8:52 PM, "drlegendre ." wrote: > > > (Months along, posts to several boards /

Re: One more try - Can you ID this S-100 Serial board?

2015-09-30 Thread william degnan
Did you try asking @ retrotechnology.com Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Sep 30, 2015 8:52 PM, "drlegendre ." wrote: > (Months along, posts to several boards / lists, still no help on this one.. > so I'm giving it another shot. I'd really like to use this board) > > Been tryi

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread John Robertson
On 09/30/2015 5:22 PM, Tothwolf wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, John Robertson wrote: On 09/29/2015 2:59 PM, Jay West wrote: This is the one I have used for years. http://clientes.netvisao.pt/greenpal/evb1.htm About $88 USD That is an authorized Bob Parker variation of his original Dick Sm

RE: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Marc Verdiell
I have been using the BK Precision 879B: http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/bk-precision/lcr/879b.htm?ref=gbase&gclid= CKj82-uIoMgCFRNrfgodYOYOvA It's at a completely different price point ($250-ish), and much more than an ESR meter - but it's a bargain for a full R,C,L,Z meter. Very useful to know

One more try - Can you ID this S-100 Serial board?

2015-09-30 Thread drlegendre .
(Months along, posts to several boards / lists, still no help on this one.. so I'm giving it another shot. I'd really like to use this board) Been trying to no avail to find any info on this 'MCT' S-100 serial card. I'm pretty sure the card works, as it came from a previously-working system - but

RE: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, Jay West wrote: Question - I could be mistaken, but I think someone mentioned that these were not good for testing caps that had a higher operating voltage. Is that correct? My understanding was that the testing method used by this ESR meter was valid for most all the larg

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Tothwolf
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, John Robertson wrote: On 09/29/2015 2:59 PM, Jay West wrote: This is the one I have used for years. http://clientes.netvisao.pt/greenpal/evb1.htm About $88 USD That is an authorized Bob Parker variation of his original Dick Smith ESR meter kit. On this side of the

Re: Ping to Tim Shoppa

2015-09-30 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Eric Christopherson wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2015, Jerome H. Fine wrote: This post is for Tim Shoppa. This have seen your replies every so often on classiccmp, so you don't seem to be totally out of touch. If you are reading this, Alan Frisbie and I would appreciate s

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread drlegendre .
Good primer paper from Sencore (manufacturer of instruments, not capacitors..) on the nature, causes and effects of ESR: http://patriotgaming.com/manuals/gaming_monitors/sencore_instruments/LC103/TT104-4416.pdf On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:50 PM, drlegendre . wrote: > "How are > folks testing the

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread drlegendre .
"How are folks testing the very large electrolytics in the 25,000, 80,000 or even 100,000 uF range that are encountered in the power supplies of some of these old machines?" The method I use is pretty close to what you mention, though I lack an electronic load. Here are some thoughts... For measu

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/30/2015 02:50 PM, Sean Caron wrote: Just the whole idea of so many Linux distributions makes me bang my head against the coffee table. One thing I greatly admire about the *BSD projects has been the strong arm of unification, all contributors are working towards one goal... It just so happe

Re: PDF for RT-11 V05.07 Release Notes

2015-09-30 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jerome H. Fine wrote: This request is for Al Kossow. However, if anyone else knows where AA-5286M-TC is located as a PDF on the internet, it would be appreciated. I have downloaded the V05.06 PDF from one of the mirrors: AA-5286L-TC_RT-11_System_Release_Notes_Aug91.pdf http://bitsavers.traili

Re: PDF for RT-11 V05.07 Release Notes

2015-09-30 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jerome H. Fine wrote: This request is for Al Kossow. However, if anyone else knows where AA-5286M-TC is located as a PDF on the internet, it would be appreciated. I have downloaded the V05.06 PDF from one of the mirrors: AA-5286L-TC_RT-11_System_Release_Notes_Aug91.pdf http://bitsavers.traili

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Sean Caron
Just the whole idea of so many Linux distributions makes me bang my head against the coffee table. One thing I greatly admire about the *BSD projects has been the strong arm of unification, all contributors are working towards one goal... It just so happened that Linux was the "free UNIX that took

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Sean Caron
You can still have a useful machine without it being connected to the public Internet. Network access is indeed very important, Internet connectivity, less so. I too rue the loss of simplicity ... and this has been voiced by many people much more luminous than I ... Ken Thompson, for one, has comm

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Tapley, Mark
I can put in another vote of confidence for this one. I have one from Portugal (because I didn’t know about the this-side-of-the-pond source) and it works as advertised. - Mark On Sep 30, 2015, at 12:54 PM, John Robertson wrote: > On 09/30/2015 7:14 AM,

Re: Active content [was Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers]

2015-09-30 Thread Sean Caron
Plus a million. You can still view my personal page and get the full experience in Netscape 2.0, Mosaic and so forth :O Best, Sean On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Mouse wrote: > > If you want to have a system that's network-capable, which is pretty > > much mandatory for a _really_ usable s

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread John Robertson
On 09/30/2015 7:14 AM, Jay West wrote: John wrote That is an authorized Bob Parker variation of his original Dick Smith ESR meter kit. On this side of the pond they were made by Anatek until the owner was killed in an accident, then the series (now called the Blue ESR) is made by Allt

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread John Robertson
On 09/30/2015 7:14 AM, Jay West wrote: John wrote That is an authorized Bob Parker variation of his original Dick Smith ESR meter kit. On this side of the pond they were made by Anatek until the owner was killed in an accident, then the series (now called the Blue ESR) is made by Allt

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Chris Elmquist
On Wednesday (09/30/2015 at 10:54AM -0700), John Robertson wrote: > > As for testing large capacitors, about the highest value that gives useful > readings is around 10,000ufd. Larger than that and the ESR is too close to > zero ohms unless the cap is really bad... And that seems to be the usual

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 9/30/2015 3:13 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 30 September 2015 at 17:08, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> I am _very much_ in sympathy with the complaints here; I too feel that modern >> computers are too complex, etc. (Although some of it, like the entire >> computer >> turning into a single chip, wer

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Liam Proven
On 30 September 2015 at 17:08, Noel Chiappa wrote: > I am _very much_ in sympathy with the complaints here; I too feel that modern > computers are too complex, etc. (Although some of it, like the entire computer > turning into a single chip, were/are inevitable/unavoidable.) Indeed so. > I like

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Charles Anthony
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:31 PM, ben wrote: > On 9/30/2015 12:24 PM, W2HX wrote: > >> Essentially these are two different measurements meant to measure a >> different property of the capacitor. Capacitors have many properties, >> many we know such as capacitance, working voltage, temp coefficien

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread ben
On 9/30/2015 12:24 PM, W2HX wrote: Essentially these are two different measurements meant to measure a different property of the capacitor. Capacitors have many properties, many we know such as capacitance, working voltage, temp coefficient, etc. Add to that list both leakage current (parallel re

RE: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread W2HX
Essentially these are two different measurements meant to measure a different property of the capacitor. Capacitors have many properties, many we know such as capacitance, working voltage, temp coefficient, etc. Add to that list both leakage current (parallel resistance) and ESR (series resistan

Active content [was Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers]

2015-09-30 Thread Mouse
> If you want to have a system that's network-capable, which is pretty > much mandatory for a _really_ usable system in this day and age, i) > that means Web-capable, and ii) if it's Web-capable today, it has to > be able to handle what I dub 'active content' (JavaScript, etc) - > i.e. content comi

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Liam Proven I am _very much_ in sympathy with the complaints here; I too feel that modern computers are too complex, etc. (Although some of it, like the entire computer turning into a single chip, were/are inevitable/unavoidable.) I like the functionality of modern system, but I feel

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Liam Proven
On 30 September 2015 at 16:55, Eric Christopherson wrote: >> The keyboard is one of these: >> >> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/12269/LMT-68FX2-Keyboard-for-the-Spectrum/ > > That's cool; but that is the strangest layout I've seen for arrow keys. Yes, as I recall, it took a *lot* of gett

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread David Williams
On 30/09/2015 15:55, Eric Christopherson wrote: ://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/12269/LMT-68FX2-Keyboard-for-the-Spectrum/ That's cool; but that is the strangest layout I've seen for arrow keys. This is a case for a ZX Spectrum. When it comes to anything Sinclair, strange is the norm! :)

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 29 September 2015 at 19:06, SPC wrote: >> Very interesting. I must do an end-of-training project this year involving >> Rapsberry Pi devices. Perhaps I'll give it a try. > > > I just ordered a Pi 2, fitted inside a modified replacement keyb

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread John Robertson
On 09/29/2015 2:59 PM, Jay West wrote: This is the one I have used for years. http://clientes.netvisao.pt/greenpal/evb1.htm About $88 USD J That is an authorized Bob Parker variation of his original Dick Smith ESR meter kit. On this side of the pond they were made by Anatek until the

RE: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Jay West
John wrote That is an authorized Bob Parker variation of his original Dick Smith ESR meter kit. On this side of the pond they were made by Anatek until the owner was killed in an accident, then the series (now called the Blue ESR) is made by Alltronics and sold by dealers such as I. The

Re: A new Lisp-based OS that hearkens back to the old days of comprehensible computers

2015-09-30 Thread Liam Proven
On 29 September 2015 at 19:06, SPC wrote: > Very interesting. I must do an end-of-training project this year involving > Rapsberry Pi devices. Perhaps I'll give it a try. I just ordered a Pi 2, fitted inside a modified replacement keyboard for a ZX Spectrum that I found when packing up my house

PDP8 Front panels

2015-09-30 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi Guys I think we are all set. The plexiglass blanks are at the silk screeners. The artwork for five different PDP-8 front panels is done. If all those who elected to wait even though prepaid would please request the latest file with all five designs in.

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Mouse
>> to model this using ideal components, [...] > So I'm slightly confused; you talk about the model being a parallel > resistor (which I get), but then switch to a series resistor. Why > the switch? The two resistors model two different ways in which a capacitor is not ideal. The parallel resist

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Eugene (W2HX) > to model this using ideal components, we show a resistor in parallel to > the capacitor ... This modeled parallel resistor represents the leakage > current. > ... > because it is not ideal, some power is dissipated. This dissipated > power is repre

RE: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread W2HX
Just to clarify a little more (at the risk of being explaining things everyone already knows)... In an ideal capacitor, after the capacitor has charged, all DC current is blocked. However, when applying a DC voltage to a real capacitor, some small current will continue to flow as electrons pass

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Holm Tiffe
Holm Tiffe wrote: > Ken Seefried wrote: > > > I'm going to be working on my 11/730s power supply, so I'm in the > > market for an ESR meter. I've seen some (older) recommendations for > > the AnaTek 'Blue' and various 'Dick Smith' derivatives. However, eBay > > is flooded with knockoff Mega328

Re: DEC handles

2015-09-30 Thread Joseph Lang
That works for me. Joe On Sep 29, 2015, at 9:36 PM, j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) wrote: >> From: Joseph Lang > >> How many do you want? > > How many do I need, or how many do I want? :-) > > I'm tempted to buy the whole bin (unless it's like a 55 gallon barrel :-), > and hold onto

Re: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread Holm Tiffe
Ken Seefried wrote: > I'm going to be working on my 11/730s power supply, so I'm in the > market for an ESR meter. I've seen some (older) recommendations for > the AnaTek 'Blue' and various 'Dick Smith' derivatives. However, eBay > is flooded with knockoff Mega328 based ESR/Transistor/SCR/etc. t

RE: ESR Meter Recommendations

2015-09-30 Thread W2HX
It seems you may be using two terms interchangeably that have different meanings. Leakage is parallel resistance (DC) and ESR is series resistance (actually impedance so it is frequency dependent. Typically 120 Hz with a full wave bridge rectifier in front of it). -Original Message- F