Re: MARC (was Re: Thoughts on manual database design?)

2015-09-26 Thread Steve Algernon
Not sure if it's relevant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordMARC My brother was one of the few engineers on this product, in Palo Alto. The software ran on dozens of different machines and architectures, using the most portable language of the day: Fortran 77. I believe MARC was the umbrell

RE: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Ali
> I'm sorry I looked ... > > > > What? -- what's wrong with "Altair Era" "S-100 Mainframes"? > Looking through my old Bytes many manufacturers referred to their CPU housings as "mainframes". Whether correct or not the terms appears to have been used to identify CPU housings that could be pick

MARC (was Re: Thoughts on manual database design?)

2015-09-26 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: > (BTW, My memory of that acronym is "Machine Assisted Resource > Coordinator", a small-sized Unix work-alike developed by Ed Ziemba (RIP) > using Leor Zolman's BDS C compiler). I'm having trouble finding much about this system; most of it is on your web pag

Re: DEC BA11K Fan repair

2015-09-26 Thread Sue Skonetski
I know a few folks that custom make parts and many are from DEC if anyone needs me to check just let me know. Sue > On Sep 26, 2015, at 3:45 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 09/26/2015 11:25 AM, tony duell wrote: >>> >> I'll tell you one that you can't get -- the fan in the PDP11/44. >> That one

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/26/2015 09:06 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote: I'm sorry I looked ... What? -- what's wrong with "Altair Era" "S-100 Mainframes"? Didn't Intel call the IA432 a "micro mainframe"? --Chuck

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:59:39PM -0400, Brian Walenz wrote: > > $17k for a CRT and a keyboard in a (beat up) wood case. > > For some reason this got me looking at "mainframe" on eBay search. > > Good lord. > > I need to tell these children "if you co

Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-26 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Al Kossow wrote: >On 9/25/15 9:57 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: If you whip up a list of what you've got, I'd be happy to check it for you. You REALLY want to check what Alan Frisbie has done this past year before spending a lot of time on this. I see in alt.sys.pdp11 th

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Mark J. Blair
I like the irony of a plastics company using a wooden computer, even if the asking price seems quite ambitious. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: assembler, disassembler for Intel 8089?

2015-09-26 Thread David Ryskalczyk
Oops, not the MT-32, that uses the Intel MCS-96 family. Nearly too many chips here to keep track of! Rather it's for the ACT Apricot PC/Xi seems to use an 8089 for I/O. David > On Sep 25, 2015, at 2:53 PM, David Ryskalczyk wrote: > > MAME has an emulator and a disassembler since the Roland MT-

Half an extra finger (DEC PDP-8/A G8018 regulator)

2015-09-26 Thread Charles
As I've periodically posted, my 8/A has an intermittent power supply problem (Power OK light and signal line flickers, so the entire system is confused. Throwing the DC breaker and resetting it will often make the problem go away for the rest of the evening). It's slowly getting worse, to the po

Re: If you OCR, always archive the bitmaps too - Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-26 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-09-26 5:51 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-09-26 23:42, Toby Thain wrote: On 2015-09-26 4:28 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-09-26 12:16, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-09-25 22:35, Al Kossow wrote: I have been going back and applying OCR to the ones on bitsavers. Are there s

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Mark Linimon
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:59:39PM -0400, Brian Walenz wrote: > $17k for a CRT and a keyboard in a (beat up) wood case. For some reason this got me looking at "mainframe" on eBay search. Good lord. I need to tell these children "if you could pick it up, it was not a mainframe." I'm sorry I look

Re: assembler, disassembler for Intel 8089?

2015-09-26 Thread Eric Smith
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, dwight wrote: > Someplace in my piles of stuff, I may have an EPROM '89. At least I > think it was an 89. > If I find it, your welcome to it Eric. Thanks, Dwight, but I don't think there was any EPROM version of the 8089, as they don't have internal program memory

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26

2015-09-26 Thread Mark Linimon
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 06:13:39PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote: > Halfway across the Richmond-San Rafael bridge the Garmin siad to turn right. Maybe it was trying to save you from the perpetual American Election Cycle? :-) mcl

Re: assembler, disassembler for Intel 8089?

2015-09-26 Thread Eric Smith
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > What I/O board are you trying to figure out, Eric? Intel iSBC 215. I have a G, but all variants have a similar processor subsystem using the 8089. I'd appreciate copies of the firmware for all Intel iSBC 215 variants. I presently have one ver

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26

2015-09-26 Thread Fred Cisin
My Garmin has had data integrity issues in its database. Plus, lack of *convenient* tools, and having to rummage around here and there to find them. Halfway across the Richmond-San Rafael bridge the Garmin siad to turn right. Never trust the voices.

RE: Video tour of 1985 home automation system

2015-09-26 Thread ethan
VERY NICE. I wish home automation systems now a day were as easy and simple to use. I bet you this did not need "the cloud" so you could just set your temperature! -Ali Look into AMX stuff. The parts are cheap on ebay. You have to write all the stuff yourself using their NetLinx programming lan

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26

2015-09-26 Thread mark
As I mentioned in another response, I truly dislike SQLite, based on my experience with it on my Garmin GPS. I'm still not sure why - my experience has been very good. What bad experiences have you had? ~~ Mark Moulding My Garmin has had data integrity issues in its database. Plus, lack of

Re: If you OCR, always archive the bitmaps too - Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-26 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-26 23:42, Toby Thain wrote: On 2015-09-26 4:28 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-09-26 12:16, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-09-25 22:35, Al Kossow wrote: I have been going back and applying OCR to the ones on bitsavers. Are there some in particular that you have a problem with?

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Peter Cetinski
Come on…it’s free shipping! > On Sep 26, 2015, at 5:35 PM, william degnan wrote: > > Crap I paid $22,500 for mine. > > Bill Degnan > twitter: billdeg > vintagecomputer.net > On Sep 26, 2015 4:45 PM, "Jacob Ritorto" wrote: > >> the cluelessness of the descriptive text on that basic 4 ad. hila

If you OCR, always archive the bitmaps too - Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-26 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-09-26 4:28 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-09-26 12:16, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-09-25 22:35, Al Kossow wrote: I have been going back and applying OCR to the ones on bitsavers. Are there some in particular that you have a problem with? Aha. I wasn't aware of that. I've down

Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-26 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-26 23:35, Al Kossow wrote: On 9/26/15 1:28 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: Sadly I don't even remember what software I used for OCR about 10 years ago, but I had something for Windows back then, which actually figured out fonts and all, and created a plain Word document from the OCR proc

Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-26 Thread Al Kossow
On 9/26/15 1:28 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: Sadly I don't even remember what software I used for OCR about 10 years ago, but I had something for Windows back then, which actually figured out fonts and all, and created a plain Word document from the OCR process. Ain't gonna happen. I have ma

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread william degnan
Crap I paid $22,500 for mine. Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Sep 26, 2015 4:45 PM, "Jacob Ritorto" wrote: > the cluelessness of the descriptive text on that basic 4 ad. hilarious. > 'there are only two mainframes i know of in existence.' > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Jacob Ritorto
the cluelessness of the descriptive text on that basic 4 ad. hilarious. 'there are only two mainframes i know of in existence.' On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Brian Walenz wrote: > Don't forget about this one: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/191698368565 > > $17k for a CRT and a keyboard in a (b

Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-26 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-26 12:16, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-09-25 22:35, Al Kossow wrote: I have been going back and applying OCR to the ones on bitsavers. Are there some in particular that you have a problem with? Aha. I wasn't aware of that. I've downloaded copies many years ago that I've been keep

RE: Video tour of 1985 home automation system

2015-09-26 Thread Ali
> It's a ~6 minute tour of a home automation system from the 1980s that > features graphical floor layouts and touch screen programming. The > system is built into the house. VERY NICE. I wish home automation systems now a day were as easy and simple to use. I bet you this did not need "the cloud

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-26 Thread Sean Caron
I began my first job ever working at a computer repair shop not soon after those drives first hit the market and I recall them being pretty dodgy. I replaced many Bigfoot drives when I was in high school! They were also dog slow ... 3600 RPM, I think ... The quality got better as time went on, if

Re: DEC BA11K Fan repair

2015-09-26 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/26/2015 11:25 AM, tony duell wrote: I'll tell you one that you can't get -- the fan in the PDP11/44. That one is a standard outer dimension alright, but electrically it's plain odd. 35V 70Hz AC or something. It runs from a full-H circuit from the (possibly battery packed) 36V supply. Ther

RE: DEC BA11K Fan repair

2015-09-26 Thread tony duell
> >> and you may decide it is better to replace the fan. > As far as I know, all the old DEC fans, from PDP-8 and > PDP-11 models, are totally standard size, and can still be > bought new from Digi-Key, Mouser, etc. If it is more than a > few drops of oil needed, then it makes NO SENSE to repair >

Re: DEC BA11K Fan repair

2015-09-26 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/26/2015 06:36 AM, tony duell wrote: If it is totally open-circuit, then the winding has failed. Rewinding is often possible, but not trivial, particularly not for something that has to stand mains voltage, and you may decide it is better to replace the fan. As far as I know, all the old

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Brian Walenz
Don't forget about this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191698368565 $17k for a CRT and a keyboard in a (beat up) wood case. He's missing the box with the electronics, and, clearly, the cables... At least it isn't signed! b On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 9:49 AM, wrote: > Pocket change compared to w

Re: Video tour of 1985 home automation system

2015-09-26 Thread Chris Osborn
On Sep 26, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Sellam ibn Abraham wrote: > I wanted to share this because it's pretty neat: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BHIknNa6Eg > > It's a ~6 minute tour of a home automation system from the 1980s that > features graphical floor layouts and touch screen programming.

Video tour of 1985 home automation system

2015-09-26 Thread Sellam ibn Abraham
I wanted to share this because it's pretty neat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BHIknNa6Eg It's a ~6 minute tour of a home automation system from the 1980s that features graphical floor layouts and touch screen programming. The system is built into the house. -- Sellam ibn Abraham

Re: Backups [was Re: Is tape dead?]

2015-09-26 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Sean Caron > the worst thing on the market since the old Quantum Bigfoot Just out of curiousity, what was so bad about the Bigfoot? Noel

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Josh Dersch
On 9/26/15 6:18 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: Come on guys, we have been over this a thousand times. Value is what someone is willing to pay. And with 32kW of memory and resonable condition (no rust or rodents) the price is not off by a factor of ten as you suggest. Perhaps a factor two or three.

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread steven
Pocket change compared to what the seller wants for this Olivetti Programma 101, priced to go! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Olivetti-PROGRAMMA-101-signed-by-one-of-the-authors-PRE-ALTAIR-8800-AND-C4004-/271973010365 To me the signing on the top of the case sort of spoils the clean appearance, I think

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Come on guys, we have been over this a thousand times. Value is what someone is willing to pay. And with 32kW of memory and resonable condition (no rust or rodents) the price is not off by a factor of ten as you suggest. Perhaps a factor two or three. We'll see when the auction ends. /P On S

Re: Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Rod Smallwood
Missing toggle switches = Not working for repair or parts. Value $500.00 On 26/09/2015 13:35, Noel Chiappa wrote: I'm not sure which is more amusing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191523958984 the price they expect to get, or calling it a 'mainframe'. Noel -- Wanted : KDJ11-E M8981 KK

Re: Looking for some DEC-related spares..

2015-09-26 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: tony duell > They would never take being straightened, the metal is partially > fractured already. Ah. OK. Well, a later poster mentioned a possible source of new feet - I had assumed you wanted exactly identical ones, which may not be available, but if all you want is functio

Cloud-cuckoo land

2015-09-26 Thread Noel Chiappa
I'm not sure which is more amusing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191523958984 the price they expect to get, or calling it a 'mainframe'. Noel

RE: Looking for some DEC-related spares..

2015-09-26 Thread tony duell
> > 2 of said feet got bent at right-angles (!) > > Hammer them straight, and clean up the threads with a die. Those outriggers > are unobtainium, so I can't imagine the feet are much better. They would never take being straightened, the metal is partially fractured already. I had assumed t

RE: DEC BA11K Fan repair

2015-09-26 Thread tony duell
> > I have a BA11K power supply out of a pdp 11/34 that has frozen up fans. > They are frozen up pretty bad. I heard from another list member here they > are repairable, any advice on how to do so? I have repaired many fans over the years, I am not sure if I have done those ones specifically. F

Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-26 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 12:16:47PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2015-09-25 22:35, Al Kossow wrote: > >On 9/25/15 11:06 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > >>But I seriously would like to OCR the manuals > > > >WHICH manuals are you complaining about? > > All of them. Of course it would be nice i

Re: Regarding Manuals

2015-09-26 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-25 22:35, Al Kossow wrote: On 9/25/15 11:06 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: But I seriously would like to OCR the manuals WHICH manuals are you complaining about? All of them. I have been going back and applying OCR to the ones on bitsavers. Are there some in particular that you hav