Re: More DEC boards

2015-08-12 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Hi Many interesting boards. I tried to identify them with the field guide: http://world.std.com/~mbg/pdp11-field-guide.txt But many numbers didn't exist there. For instance M7765 of which you have 15. Have I missed something? /P On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 12:42:53AM -0500, Paul Anderson wrote: >

R: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread supervinx
Older DOS utils like IMD or TELEDISK knew better about 8" disks and precompression, directly accessing the controller. If the Supercard software has been written with no 8" disks support it will be hard to manage writes correctly. My two cents Messaggio originale Da: supervinx

R: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread supervinx
He told me there's no Linux support. I should try Keirf's utils or access the hardware with a serial connection. May be I could try the Supercard in a VM. Messaggio originale Da: supervinx Data:13/08/2015 08:25 (GMT+01:00) A: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Po

R: Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread supervinx
Hi! A bit OT. I tried the fdadap card successfully reading and writing SD and DD disks, together with a standard ISA controller. Had to try a bit, since not every disk controller manages SD writes.  So the FDADAP should be ok, and the problems lie on the Supercard side. I contacted the Supercard g

Re: More DEC boards

2015-08-12 Thread Paul Anderson
Sorry, this wasn't done the way i wanted. for the 2 digit numbers place a 70 in front, for the rest , just put a M7 in front. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Paul Anderson wrote: > This might work better > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2MOaRm-6XKNV3hENS1Hd1lURXc/view?usp=sharing > >

Re: More DEC boards

2015-08-12 Thread Paul Anderson
This might work better https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2MOaRm-6XKNV3hENS1Hd1lURXc/view?usp=sharing On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:58 PM, jwsmobile wrote: > > > On 8/12/2015 8:26 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > >> Thanks Jay, >> >> I was afraid i messed in up >> >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:25 PM,

Re: More DEC boards

2015-08-12 Thread jwsmobile
On 8/12/2015 8:26 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: Thanks Jay, I was afraid i messed in up On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: When I visited this link, I ended up with a blank, white page. JRJ I get a blank page too, no action. Google drive shares don't leave much you can

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-12 Thread Sean Caron
Ooh, thanks for that; I have long been intrigued by Burroughs ... they always tried rather unusual approaches ... seeing if I can get MCP fired up sounds like a fun weekend project. Best, Sean On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > In addition, B5500/B5700 Mark XIII and B5500/B5

Re: More DEC boards

2015-08-12 Thread Paul Anderson
Thanks Jay, I was afraid i messed in up On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > When I visited this link, I ended up with a blank, white page. > > JRJ > > On 8/12/2015 10:12 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > > Well, here's another update on my never ending/ always changing list of >

Naked minis

2015-08-12 Thread Paul Anderson
I was having problems sending these to some members, so i'm trying to post them. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2MOaRm-6XKNfkxxZ0ZMZldZUGh0SjVMWHA0RGJ4QkxVcE02SjhNMmVOMWpGcmJUaFRQZEU&usp=gmail

More DEC boards

2015-08-12 Thread Paul Anderson
Well, here's another update on my never ending/ always changing list of quad and hex boards. These are all M7xxx, and the M8xxx should be done in a week or so. There are a few boards here I will be using myself, But I am planning on selling off about 80% of my DEC equipment. All is located in zip 6

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/12/2015 07:22 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: One rather interesting aspect was that the DEC code did not alternate between side 1 and side 2 as the head advanced. All of side 1 was processed first followed by all of side 2. As a result, when a floppy media with a SS index hole was written on

B 5000, MCP, etc - was Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-08-12 1:39 PM, Nigel Williams wrote: On 12 Aug 2015, at 11:24 pm, Paul Koning wrote: On Aug 11, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Mark Kahrs wrote: For those of you who might be interested, I sent a listing of the B6700 ALGOL compiler source code to the CHM. I did find a copy of the B6500 ESPOL

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread John Foust
At 07:27 PM 8/11/2015, Josh Dersch wrote: >Thus far I've been successful in creating images of floppies, but less >successful in writing them back out. Thus far I've tried a pair of Shugart >851s and a Qume QumeTrack 842. I'm using a DBit FDADAP >(http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html) to deal with

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Chuck Guzis wrote: On 08/12/2015 11:12 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: I forgot to mention one item. Since I had VERY few Double Sided media with the index hole offset that extra 1/2" from the Single Sided index hole - and I have many RX02 compatible floppy media which are Single Sided with the in

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
I went back to the FDD-200 manual. The signal is ILLEGAL PACK and is on the FDD200, not FDD100 --that's logical. Sorry, I've been distracted by personal events lately. --Chuck

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/12/15 4:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: I could have that reversed--and that SS media in the FDD-200 would cause an "illegal media" signal to be asserted, but it's odd either way. I'll have to check bitsavers when I get time. An FD-200 service manual would be nice to have a scan of. I don't h

Re: E-mail Archives Was: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/12/15 11:34 AM, Peter Coghlan wrote: The posting email addresses are only slightly disguised and could be harvested by spammers. Would it be possible to filter them a bit better before they are found? That horse is already out of the barn. https://web.archive.org/web/20141025044832/htt

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/12/2015 02:22 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: ...and others, such as the Siemens FDD-100 (single sided) will output an "illegal medium" signal if double-sded floppies are inserted. Interesting. I think the single-sided drives I've dealt with jus

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/12/2015 3:26 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > ...and others, such as the Siemens FDD-100 (single sided) will output an > "illegal medium" signal if double-sded floppies are inserted. > > --Chuck > Hmmm. I have an FDD-100-8 (single sided). The manual mentions no such signal and only one index se

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > ...and others, such as the Siemens FDD-100 (single sided) will output an > "illegal medium" signal if double-sded floppies are inserted. Interesting. I think the single-sided drives I've dealt with just never assert READY, because they don't h

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/12/2015 01:05 PM, Eric Smith wrote: Some drives, like the Mitsubishi M2896-63, can be configured to suppress the READY output if the second side of a single-sided disk is selected, or to ignore the sidedness of the medium. Mitsubishi refers to this as "Ready Standard" vs. "Ready Modified"

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > My drives are configured to take either index signal--so it doesn't matter > if the media is coded as SS or DS. Many floppy drives can do this. Some 8-inch double-sided drives don't care about which index sensor is active, other than to outpu

GRiD Compass power supply information

2015-08-12 Thread Ian Finder
Hi folks, I picked up an 1101 GRiDcompass with no power supply. I'd like to attempt a retrofit. Does anyone know what voltages are in play? I'm specifically worried about the EL panel and want to know if the high voltages for it are produced in the PSU itself, or the panel. Any information, or

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 08/12/2015 11:12 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: I forgot to mention one item. Since I had VERY few Double Sided media with the index hole offset that extra 1/2" from the Single Sided index hole - and I have many RX02 compatible floppy media which are Single Sided with the index hole in the wrong p

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-12 Thread Jay Jaeger
In addition, B5500/B5700 Mark XIII and B5500/B5700 MARK XV.3 release tapes can be found online. UNISYS released these under the "UNISYS MCP MARK XIII SOFTWARE EDUCATIONAL/HOBBYIST LICENSE AGREEMENT" in 2012, having been approached by the owner of the tapes. At least Mark XIII is available on Paul

Re: E-mail Archives Was: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread jwsmobile
I sent Al a link to my google drive copy of the archives thru 2012. I am going to create a 2012-2015 manually from my email archive of the group and add that. If you send email, i'll send you the link to my google drive public archive. thanks Jim On 8/12/2015 10:36 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-12 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 12, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Nigel Williams > wrote: > > >> On 12 Aug 2015, at 11:24 pm, Paul Koning wrote: >> ... >> Did Algol come after the hardware? I always thought of the hardware as >> having been customized for their Algol, but admittedly I don’t actually know >> which is chicken

Re: E-mail Archives Was: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > If so, I've been hosting an 'un-official' copy of the archives from March '97 > to January '05 here: > > http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/cctalk/ > The posting email addresses are only slightly disguised and could be harvested by spammers. Would it be possible to filter them a bit better before

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
I forgot to mention one item. Since I had VERY few Double Sided media with the index hole offset that extra 1/2" from the Single Sided index hole - and I have many RX02 compatible floppy media which are Single Sided with the index hole in the wrong place for being a Double Sided media - I added a

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-12 Thread Nigel Williams
> On 12 Aug 2015, at 11:24 pm, Paul Koning wrote: >> On Aug 11, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Mark Kahrs wrote: >> For those of you who might be interested, I sent a listing of the B6700 >> ALGOL compiler source code to the CHM. > I did find a copy of the B6500 ESPOL compiler online recently. In the B55

Re: E-mail Archives Was: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Al Kossow > You can find a discussion about it in the archives (well, actually, you > can't). > Which reminds me.. > The archive have never come back to http://www.classiccmp.org/lists.html Ah, which archives are we speaking of? The CCTalk archives? If so, I've been h

RE: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Josh Dersch
Thanks for the detailed description (and thanks to everyone else for their input!). That all makes sense. The firmware for the SuperCard Pro is closed source (which is kind of a bummer) so I can't look at it to see what it's doing. I've posted a message on the CBMStuff Forum and we'll see wha

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
I forgot to mention one item. Since I had VERY few Double Sided media with the index hole offset that extra 1/2" from the Single Sided index hole - and I have many RX02 compatible floppy media which are Single Sided with the index hole in the wrong place for being a Double Sided media - I added a

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Josh Dersch wrote: Here at the museum I'm evaluating the use of a SuperCard Pro (http://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP) to archive and duplicate 8" floppies from various machines. It's not technically supported (the manual states that it *should* work but has not been tested, etc.

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 8/12/15 6:26 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: The correspondent should probably check with the SuperCard Pro folks to make sure BOTH have been implemented. It is quite possible neither have. I know Philip ran into this with writing real media with his Diskferret. You can find a discussion about it i

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Jay Jaeger
You and I were thinking of two different things: I was thinking of the reduced write current on the inside tracks, and you were thinking of changing the bit timing. On the latter point, I was incorrect. For reduced write current, all the controller does is to tell the drive whether or not it is

Re: And speaking of ALGOL

2015-08-12 Thread Paul Koning
> On Aug 11, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Mark Kahrs wrote: > > I assure you Chuck, I do know the original B5500 ALGOL having written my > first program on one. > > For those of you who might be interested, I sent a listing of the B6700 > ALGOL compiler source code to the CHM. Did it end up online somew

Re: msc 8009 docs

2015-08-12 Thread Joseph Lang
It had a rom but it wasn't a debug monitor. Disk boot of some sort. I ported a monitor to the board using clues I found in the rom and a lot of multimeter time figuring out where things went. I'll look around and see if I can find it. Thanks for the manual! > On Aug 11, 2015, at 7:54 PM, Al Ko

Re: Writing 8" floppies with SuperCard Pro

2015-08-12 Thread Christian Corti
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: Aside from the write pre-comp thing which you seem to have in hand (and which is generally handled by the *drive*, not the controller, i.e., the bit timing from the controller does not change, as far as I know), one Au contraire. Write precompensation is