Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread dave
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: There are so many versions. The blue and green are my favourites. The chocolate 11/70 requires special mention. Here are some examples I've collected. http://www.update.uu.se/~pontus/slask/front_paneler/ Are these pictures of panels you own? I procu

RE: Memory options for an HP 1000 (HP 21MX / 2112A)

2015-06-08 Thread Marc Verdiell
Jay, I have gotten a M.E.M memory expansion board (two of them actually!) for my 21 MX. And many memory cards. So now all I need is the DMS firmware board. I am interested in yours if you still have it... I tried to contact you off-list but no success, maybe I ended up in your junk mail pile. I hav

RE: HP 3082A ("Industrial Touch") Terminal service manual or

2015-06-08 Thread Marc Verdiell
Whooo. Very nice terminal. I want one too :-). Can't help with your problem unfortunately. Marc >From: Josh Dersch >Subject: HP 3082A ("Industrial Touch") Terminal service manual or > other info? >Hi all -- >The lovely HP 3082A terminal I've been using with my PDP-11/73 has started ex

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
There are so many versions. The blue and green are my favourites. The chocolate 11/70 requires special mention. Here are some examples I've collected. http://www.update.uu.se/~pontus/slask/front_paneler/ /P On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 11:56:45PM -0500, Paul Anderson wrote: > not to mention the re

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Paul Anderson
not to mention the red/ blue used in industrial systems. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:49 PM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote: > On 6/8/2015 9:41 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 11:18:50PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> >>> Got both an 8/M with a front, and an 8/F. I don't remember

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 21:49 , Bob Rosenbloom wrote: > I have an 8/M that came in blue. > http://www.dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/dec8m1.jpg Oooh, that is really pretty! -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Bob Rosenbloom
On 6/8/2015 9:41 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 11:18:50PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Got both an 8/M with a front, and an 8/F. I don't remember that there are any differences in color, but my memory might just have bit errors. Also not sure what the "extra markings" wou

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 11:18:50PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > Got both an 8/M with a front, and an 8/F. I don't remember that > there are any differences in color, but my memory might just have > bit errors. > > Also not sure what the "extra markings" would be on the 8/F. As far > as I ca

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 04:38:15PM -0700, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: > From: Rod Smallwood: Monday, June 08, 2015 11:28 AM > >Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel > >with extra markings > > I hate to mention it, but I believe that the rotary switch on the > 8/E panels w

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread COURYHOUSE
Ah! the old 8S thinking back on it this 8S was from a site we were actually paid to haul stuff away from as the land lord had the building rented to a new tenant. Date? had to be in 1981 or 82.. we also got a bunch of CDC washing machine early disk drives that were

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Rod Smallwood
Thanks yes I had been warned by one member. I discussed it yesterday with the silkscreeners. We call it the B model and it only affects the white layer. On 09/06/2015 00:38, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: From: Rod Smallwood: Monday, June 08, 2015 11:28 AM Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: Rod Smallwood: Monday, June 08, 2015 11:28 AM Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel with extra markings I hate to mention it, but I believe that the rotary switch on the 8/E panels was replaced at some point with one that has a different number of degrees pe

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Mike Ross
*checks* H My workbench currently held up by a VAX-11/730, an RK05, and an RA81... Mike On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:03 AM, ben wrote: > On 6/8/2015 4:30 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: >> >> yea Will... things that fit under the workbench can languish for 40 >> years... if it has to sit

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread ben
On 6/8/2015 4:30 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: yea Will... things that fit under the workbench can languish for 40 years... if it has to sit on top it may a a shorter lifespan Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) Ok, where are the computers HOLDING UP THE WORKBENCH? Ben.

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread ben
On 6/8/2015 4:18 PM, William Donzelli wrote: It's pretty rare. I have one too. I've seen and heard of more straight 8s than I have 8/S PDP-8/Ss used to be quite rare, but they have been popping out of the woodwork for some time now. I would venture to say they are now more extant that Straight

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread COURYHOUSE
yea Will... things that fit under the workbench can languish for 40 years... if it has to sit on top it may a a shorter lifespan Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 6/8/2015 3:18:35 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, wdonze...@gmail.com writes: > It'

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread COURYHOUSE
yea I have only seen the one 8S we got whereas straight 8 back in the biz days 79 to 90 something had 2 plexi desktop straight 8 ( one we kept wrote: > > > 8s is rare?? We have one. Is there a an registry?Ed# smecc.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE s

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread William Donzelli
> It's pretty rare. I have one too. > > I've seen and heard of more straight 8s than I have 8/S PDP-8/Ss used to be quite rare, but they have been popping out of the woodwork for some time now. I would venture to say they are now more extant that Straight-8s. Small is survivability. PDP-8/S was

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Kyle Owen
For those that haven't seen both of the 8/Ms, here they are in the same rack, in as-found condition: http://i.imgur.com/c9Dntqv.jpg The color difference between an 8/F and 8/M seems more than just subtle color variations between paints. The 8/M has two shades of orange, whereas the 8/F seems to ha

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread COURYHOUSE
I will have to dig out he small computer handbook from the Dec section at smecc library and study up on it again! the brain cells are foggy! another nice go with to display with 8s is the DEC logic trainer We somehow ended up with a few of these... one goes next to a 8 the

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Mike Ross
It's pretty rare. I have one too. I've seen and heard of more straight 8s than I have 8/S Mike On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:26 AM, couryhouse wrote: > > > 8s is rare?? We have one. Is there a an registry? Ed# smecc.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > Origina

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread COURYHOUSE
ok! I knew they came 'toggless' but never saw one...mine had / has togs! I still have a m or an f up in my study ( I forget which...) been up on a shelf for 20 years probably should give it to the SMECC to go with the other 8's I gave them. I am going to make a

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 14:52 , Mark J. Blair wrote: > > >> On Jun 8, 2015, at 14:00 , couryho...@aol.com wrote: >> >> I have seen M with all toggles... > > I've seen one in my machine room, right next to my VAX. :) Oh, and I should have mentioned that it was removed from some sort of CNC sti

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 14:00 , couryho...@aol.com wrote: > > I have seen M with all toggles... I've seen one in my machine room, right next to my VAX. :) -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
Not so much "serial bus" as just "serial". Everything is serial in the machine, as far as I understand. Not sure how much of a bus it got. Johnny On 2015-06-08 22:59, couryho...@aol.com wrote: yea... poor 8 s was 20 microsecond cycle time the S stood for serial buss as

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-06-08 21:16, Kyle Owen wrote: On Jun 8, 2015 2:28 PM, "Rod Smallwood" wrote: Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel with extra markings The 8/m - OEM no front panel The 8/I has different front panel The 8/A is a totally different box altogether The 8/e wa

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread COURYHOUSE
I have seen M with all toggles... In a message dated 6/8/2015 12:16:57 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, kylevo...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 8, 2015 2:28 PM, "Rod Smallwood" wrote: > > Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel with extra markings > The 8/m - OEM n

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread COURYHOUSE
yea... poor 8 s was 20 microsecond cycle time the S stood for serial buss as I remember it. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 6/8/2015 1:09:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, pon...@update.uu.se writes: Quite rare the PDP-8 faq says 1024 made.

Re: Amstrad CPC 464

2015-06-08 Thread Terry Stewart
>Hey! I've got one of those in the loft... ...and now I know why I can't >power it up... I have no monitor for it.. Nice to see what it can do You can get Video + PSU adapters from the UK. 220V and SCART output though so probably not much help if you are in North America (or New Zealand for th

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
I think you are refering to the micro processor series, or MPS: http://www.dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/dec_micro_panel.JPG I have some marketing material but that is it. I've seen one go on ebay. /P On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 08:34:57PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote: > There is one thing I saw once a

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Quite rare the PDP-8 faq says 1024 made. And given how slow it was, I suppose people didn't hold on to it. /P On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 12:26:07PM -0700, couryhouse wrote: > > > 8s is rare??   We have one.  Is there a an registry?   Ed#  smecc.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Rod Smallwood
There is one thing I saw once at DEC and have never seen a reference to. There was a development system for the intel 8008 that ran on a quad board plugged into an 8/e Papertape i/o on an ASR33 I saw it running once and then it was never seen again. On 08/06/2015 20:26, couryhouse wrote:

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread couryhouse
8s is rare??   We have one.  Is there a an registry?   Ed#  smecc.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: ben Date: 06/08/2015 12:05 PM (GMT-07:00) To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Front Panel Update On 6/8/2015 12:28 PM, R

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Kyle Owen
On Jun 8, 2015 2:28 PM, "Rod Smallwood" wrote: > > Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel with extra markings > The 8/m - OEM no front panel > The 8/I has different front panel > The 8/A is a totally different box altogether > > The 8/e was the big seller with thousands

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread ben
On 6/8/2015 12:28 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel with extra markings The 8/m - OEM no front panel The 8/I has different front panel The 8/A is a totally different box altogether The 8/e was the big seller with thousands shipped The 8

RE: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Dave G4UGM
And the original straight 8 is again completely different again. > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod > Smallwood > Sent: 08 June 2015 19:29 > To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off- > Topic Posts > Subj

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Rod Smallwood
Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel with extra markings The 8/m - OEM no front panel The 8/I has different front panel The 8/A is a totally different box altogether The 8/e was the big seller with thousands shipped On 08/06/2015 19:16, Dave G4UGM wrote: Rod, So

RE: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Dave G4UGM
Rod, So how different is the 8E to the rest of the PDP-8 family. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod > Smallwood > Sent: 08 June 2015 18:54 > To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off- > Topic Posts

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi Its a full size 8/e front panel. Its made to be a replacement for damaged front panels on real PDP8/e's I doubt it would fit anything else. There is a possibility of a lights and switches panel to go with it if we can solve the problem of the lack of the lever operated switches that are

RE: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Dave G4UGM
Is this appropriate for an SBC6120 or does that need different switch labels ... > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod > Smallwood > Sent: 08 June 2015 13:20 > To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off- >

Re: [HECnet] Announcing TCP/IP for RSX-11M-PLUS

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
About three months since I last announced anything. There have been various development since, and I figured I should encourage people who are using BQTCP/IP for RSX to upgrade to the latest release. A short list of changes: ICMP: . ICMP packets accidentally lost the source IP address informato

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi I did consider that and as there will be more that the few I had planned. I can do that. I thought I might call it a Replic8 or a Fake8 or Makan8 for the kit. I am some what flattered that my humble efforts at artwork could be mistaken for the real thing. Thinking back some forty years I s

RE: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread tony duell
> The RC25 was one of the last cartridge drives (before fixed drives came back > in small sizes and exploding > capacity), somewhat interesting because of its compact size, and very odd and > hard to use because the > designers threw in a fixed platter. Perhaps they thought that it was a good

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread William Donzelli
> Suggestion: it’s a good practice in general for replicas to be marked > explictly as a replica. The marking can be very small and inconspicuous, but > it seems like good form to have one. Yes, I was going to mention this as well. The trick (which is not hard at all) is to make the marking dec

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 07:26, Mike Ross wrote: > Hmmm IBM used exactly the same trick - removable platter, with a fixed > platter below it - in 1969 with rather larger platters on their 5440 > disk for the System/3... I have one of these; have had various things > to fix (some still unfixed!) but t

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > Yes several > > The originals have rounded corners. > The address font differs slightly when superimposed. > The screening in mine is much chrisper than the old ones. > > > On 08/06/2015 13:21, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: >> Is there a way

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread Mike Ross
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> On Jun 8, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Mike Ross wrote: >> >>> ... >> >> Ugh OK, I've never laid hands on one as I said; for some reason I >> thought the cartridge on these was a sealed unit containing the heads, >> like some IBM drives, e.g. 3340… >

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Rod Smallwood
Yes several The originals have rounded corners. The address font differs slightly when superimposed. The screening in mine is much chrisper than the old ones. On 08/06/2015 13:21, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: Is there a way to tell your reproduction from an original? /P On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Mike Ross wrote: > >> ... > > Ugh OK, I've never laid hands on one as I said; for some reason I > thought the cartridge on these was a sealed unit containing the heads, > like some IBM drives, e.g. 3340… No, and I don’t think DEC ever made any drives like that.

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread Mike Ross
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Mike Ross wrote: >> That should be trivial. I've never laid hands on an RC25, but there >> must be a microswitch that detects when a cartridge is installed, and >> is accessible for bodging...? > > The problem is

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Kyle Owen
On Jun 8, 2015 8:21 AM, "Pontus Pihlgren" wrote: > > Is there a way to tell your reproduction from an original? > > /P > After looking at both of them, the typeface for the second line of text does not match, and some of the font sizes seem a bit off, or maybe the typefaces used are a little more

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Mike Ross
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Hi All > Since I released the picture of the first 8/e panel on Friday > there has been a big response. Unless I'm missing something there hasn't been a picture; can you repost the link please? Mike http://www.corestore.org 'N

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-06-08 07:50, ben wrote: On 6/7/2015 11:08 PM, tony duell wrote: That should be trivial. I've never laid hands on an RC25, but there must be a microswitch that detects when a cartridge is installed, and is accessible for bodging...? Yes, and don't do it! In every fixed/removeable dri

Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

2015-06-08 Thread ben
On 6/7/2015 11:08 PM, tony duell wrote: That should be trivial. I've never laid hands on an RC25, but there must be a microswitch that detects when a cartridge is installed, and is accessible for bodging...? Yes, and don't do it! In every fixed/removeable drive I have worked on (OK, never an

Re: Amstrad CPC 464

2015-06-08 Thread John Many Jars
Hey! I've got one of those in the loft... ...and now I know why I can't power it up... I have no monitor for it.. Nice to see what it can do! On 8 June 2015 at 02:16, Terry Stewart wrote: > For any on the list that might be interested... > > The colourful Amstrad CPC 464. The latest in my st

Re: Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
Is there a way to tell your reproduction from an original? /P On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:19:41PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Hi All > Since I released the picture of the first 8/e panel on > Friday there has been a big response. > Its 12:45 local on Monday in the UK and I'm of to t

Front Panel Update

2015-06-08 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi All Since I released the picture of the first 8/e panel on Friday there has been a big response. Its 12:45 local on Monday in the UK and I'm of to the silk screeners to collect the rest of the first batch and to arrange for more to be printed as soon as I get the blanks from the

Re: PDP-8/e front panels.

2015-06-08 Thread Paul Birkel
+1 on cool. I'd like to see a couple for an 11/40, please. Also an 8/I would definitely be useful. On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Rod Smallwood > > > I have recently produced a number of high quality custom PDP8/e front > > panels. They are full size