[ccp4bb] Probable bugs in acedrg

2020-02-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
ove all of the delocalized bonds. I hope this note makes it to acedrg's developers and they find it useful. It may also be helpful to others attempting this task (at least until the bugs are fixed). Dale Tronrud To unsubs

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogens in PDB File

2020-03-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
r locations can be inferred from the deposited atoms? Dale Tronrud P.S. I realize that I am open to charges of inconsistency since I have advocated not depositing an atomic model for atoms that weren't placed by the depositor (i.e. disordered side chains). I don't believe I'm

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogens in PDB File

2020-03-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
clusion of riding hydrogen atom positions vrs the confusion that results from their absence. I think we agree strongly that all of the list items above need to be tackled by the wwPDB and are of extreme importance. I think we need a comprehensive solution, not a piecemeal, special case, for each.

Re: [ccp4bb] A question of density

2020-03-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
oblem. Besides, as Glusker and Tureblood noted, a peak in a difference map (the green blob in this discussion) cannot be caused by series termination. If there is series termination the shape of a difference map peak can be affected, but not the presence of the peak itself. Dale Tronrud On 3/5/2020

Re: [ccp4bb] A question of density

2020-03-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
ld that change if this peak is "noise" or not? All we have now is a peak that we don't have a good way to interpret. Dale Tronrud > > Jessica > > On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 12:45, Barone, Matthias <mailto:bar...@fmp-berlin.de>> wrote: > > hey Jessica &g

Re: [ccp4bb] [3dem] Which resolution?

2020-03-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
Just a note: James Holton said "true B-factor" not "true B-factors". I believe he was talking about the overall B not the individual B's. Dale Tronrud On 3/8/2020 3:25 PM, Rangana Warshamanage wrote: > Sorry for not being clear enough. > If B-factors at the en

Re: [ccp4bb] Average B factors with TLS

2020-04-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
and, the average B of 157 A^2 seems quite reasonable for a 3 A model (using modern resolution cutoff criteria). It is higher than your Wilson B, but that is expected. In addition, as you note, the uncertainty of a Wilson B is quite large in the absence of high resolution data. Yes, this is the

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Increase in R-factor following REFMAC

2020-04-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
In addition, REFMAC has tightened your model's geometry which can cause a slight increase in the working R. A one percent increase in while in the upper thirties is slight. Dale Tronrud On 4/8/2020 7:30 AM, Schreuder, Herman /DE wrote: > I guess the molecular replacement model has ne

Re: [ccp4bb] neg density/high B on sidechains

2020-04-28 Thread Dale Tronrud
of this solution we can only repeat the, conflicting, arguments in favor or against the various less than optimal solutions. You can go back to the archives to find those. Dale Tronrud On 4/28/2020 8:37 AM, Thomas, Leonard M. wrote: > Hello all, > > This is one of those issues that seem

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
been "free", however. To get it one had to agree to the license from the University of Oregon and, if a for-profit organization, pay money. Dale Tronrud On 5/7/2020 10:18 AM, Roversi, Pietro (Dr.) wrote: > Thank you Ethan for taking the the time to answer and explain. > Yes I am sur

Re: [ccp4bb] electron density close Histidine side chain

2020-07-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
If there is a covalent link, maybe sending a sample off to mass spec would be a good idea. That would remove some of the guesswork. Dale Tronrud On 7/20/2020 9:16 AM, samer halabi wrote: > Hello all, > I have few blobs in an MHC II structure I am working on, especially > op

[ccp4bb] Refmac Ideal Geometry Library

2020-07-25 Thread Dale Tronrud
Hi, I'm seeking insight into some geometry outliers in my Refmac refined model. It would be nice to have confidence in the target values used by Refmac. Does Refmac use the library distributed by CCP4 in lib/data/monomers, or do it have its own library squirreled away somewhere?

Re: [ccp4bb] R free rising

2020-11-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
s is for your second refinement to be working with a newly created test set. It is possible that somehow you have reset your R free flags? In an MTZ the full data set is divided into twenty subsets -- one is the test set while the other nineteen are the working set. When you ran Refmac the

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine with ligand with ambiguous electron density

2020-11-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
inced of the value of a FEM, or a Buster map, or a SA omit map, or whatever, calculate that map instead and live with it. If you have to calculate twenty different kinds of maps, with varying parameters in each, before you find the one that shows the density for your ligand; it probably didn

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine with ligand with ambiguous electron density

2020-11-25 Thread Dale Tronrud
In addition, Fo-Fo maps between the crystals of varying occupancy, even very small changes in occupancy, are surprisingly informative. They tend to be highly isomorphorus and provide direct information for deconvoluting multiple conformations which is vital in partial occupancy binding. Da

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine with ligand with ambiguous electron density

2020-12-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
rience with a new technique should never be with your current project's data. You should work to add that technique to your tool box, and then move back to your data. Practice, and more practice will build that squishy neural network in your head. Descending from soapbox, Dale Tronrud

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
the, now separated, glycan chain? If not, I think this is the principle failing of their new scheme. Dale Tronrud On 12/4/2020 12:06 AM, Tristan Croll wrote: To go one step further: in large, heavily glycosylated multi-chain complexes the assignment of a random new chain ID to each glycan

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
en "1" and "3" in the sequence. This is not necessarily true at all. To learn the sequence you have to go to the mmCIF records that define the connectivity between residues. It is entirely possible that "3" comes before "1" because these indexes don&#x

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
k to those rules, and not make unwarranted assumptions about the meaning of data items. Dale Tronrud On 12/4/2020 10:37 AM, Tristan Croll wrote: OK, I understand your point more clearly now - but I'm not sure I fully agree, for the simple reason that people aren't computers. You&#x

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 12/4/2020 12:15 PM, Marcin Wojdyr wrote: > On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 19:16, Dale Tronrud wrote: >> learn the sequence you have to go to the mmCIF records that define the >> connectivity between residues. It is entirely possible that "3" comes >> before "1"

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
l database. I don't recall anyone in this long thread refuting this statement. Dale Tronrud On 12/5/2020 4:02 AM, Marcin Wojdyr wrote: On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 22:36, Dale Tronrud wrote: It is very important not to read more meaning into a data tag than is actually defined in

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Finding partial occupancy monomer by MR ?

2020-12-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
of that increase in ease of interpretation to be less than if you defined ahead of time the map you planed to look at. Yes, when your defined protocol fails, look around for alternatives. Just ensure that your personal skepticism setting is cranked up when doing so. Dale Tronrud My 2

Re: [ccp4bb] Closed density map

2011-08-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
map should have been very convincing to have convinced even you. If the density in that map bleeds a little into the protein density, so be it. That is not important. Dale Tronrud On 08/26/11 07:44, RONG hui Rong wrote: > Dear all, > Do you know how to generate some closed density map

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 10/11/11 12:58, Ethan Merritt wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:33:09 pm Garib N Murshudov wrote: >> In the limit yes. however limit is when we do not have solution, i.e. when >> model errors are very large. In the limit map coefficients will be 0 even >> for 2mFo-DFc maps. In refineme

Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae.. 1.95A, different phase

2011-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
model is the same. Dale Tronrud On 11/21/11 14:47, Michael Thompson wrote: > - Forwarded Message - > From: "Michael Thompson" > To: "e dodson" > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:30:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] LESS

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
is sort of motion. Dale Tronrud On 11/21/11 14:52, Filip Van Petegem wrote: > Hello Jacob, > > that's correct, I'm only looking at the mathematical significance, not > the biological one. I follow the same reasoning - it is highly > improbably for all atoms to be skewed i

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-06 Thread Dale Tronrud
James Holton has software for calculating molecule transform images. Check out http://bl831.als.lbl.gov/~jamesh/nearBragg/. The program doesn't read PDB format coordinates, just lists of three numbers. Dale Tronrud On 01/06/12 09:44, Jacob Keller wrote: > Actually, as a way to make t

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-13 Thread Dale Tronrud
tern. For a noncrystalline object the highest frequency component corresponds to the longest Patterson vector or, in other words, the diameter of the object! The bigger the object, the higher the highest frequency of the scattergram, and the smaller its features. Dale Tronrud > > JPK >

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-13 Thread Dale Tronrud
;t as many long vectors as short ones, but the distribution depends on the exact shape of your object. Once you have a Patterson map that has an isolated edge (no cross-vectors) back calculating the original object is pretty easy. (Miao, et al, Annu. Rev. Phys. Chem. 2008, 59:387-410) Dale Tronrud

Re: [ccp4bb] on the electronic density of several maps

2012-01-13 Thread Dale Tronrud
It's not the strength of the electron density it's the shape that is important. Dale Tronrud On 01/13/12 14:21, Dialing Pretty wrote: > > Dear All, > > For the electronic density of LEU and Pro in the electronic density map, > which is much stronger? > > Fo

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-14 Thread Dale Tronrud
phase problem. The paper I referred to earlier gives the details. Dale Tronrud Regards, ARKO On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Dale Tronrud mailto:det...@uoxray.uoregon.edu>> wrote: I think you have to be a little more clear as to what you mean by an "electron density map&

Re: [ccp4bb] MAD

2012-01-19 Thread Dale Tronrud
How many names do you propose to use to describe SIRAS? If someone wrote in their paper "the Rossmann method was used to solve this structure" what method would come to mind? Dale Tronrud On 1/19/2012 12:51 PM, Petr Leiman wrote: It would be so much more convenient to

[ccp4bb] Building Coot with SSM

2012-01-23 Thread Dale Tronrud
ile-config... /usr/bin/guile-config checking for guile-tools... /usr/bin/guile-tools and during the compile an option is -lssm, which seems to be linking to libssm. Where is the need for libmmdbssm checked for and how to I get one? Thanks, Dale Tronrud

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
Is this observation about redundancies a general rule that I missed? It seems rather surprising to me. What have results have others seen? Dale Tronrud On 01/24/12 07:23, Greg Costakes wrote: > snip... > Higher redundancies (>7 or so) do tend to increase overall R/Rfree.

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
to not use the decayed data in the merge. I would expect that decayed data would only be merged with the early data if the redundancy was so low that you had to just to get a full data set. Dale Tronrud > > -- Miguel > >> -

Re: [ccp4bb] Introducing an ELN

2012-01-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
around 1920 that even Germans have great trouble reading today. The paper is holding up quite well though. ;-) Dale Tronrud On 01/26/12 08:30, Phoebe Rice wrote: > As the proud owner of a carefully organized, highly annotated VMS backup tape > (reel-to-reel, of course), my main concern i

Re: [ccp4bb] Bond Length Outliers (correction)

2012-02-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
something bad there is a problem with the regularizer not the structure. Does you model have any ligands that might have horrible angles but not be reported by MolProbity? Dale Tronrud On 02/16/12 09:00, Greg Costakes wrote: > Ahh yes, I looked at the wrong line. My Rmsd bond angle is 2.5

Re: [ccp4bb] Help! weird thing

2012-03-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
It could be that your partial model has a loop, not present in the true solution, that is causing a clash. You could run Phaser again with the anti-bumping restraint weakened or disabled, or more carefully edit your partial model. Dale Tronrud On 3/10/2012 11:33 PM, xiaoyazi2008 wrote: Hi

Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication

2012-04-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
amline. The images would still have to be deposited, however. (And this provides no protection against forgeries of home source data sets.) Dale Tronrud On 04/03/12 13:19, Bryan Lepore wrote: > On the topic of MX fraud : could not an encryption algorithm be > applied to answer the question of

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
that map alone, of deciding which is which. Because of this observation I don't believe it is supportable to say "I don't see density for these atoms therefore they must be disordered." Additional evidence is required. Dale Tronrud On 04/10/12 08:38, Tim Gruene wrote: >

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
ade them no longer be absent in the maps. So it is a > question of the quality of the phase information. > > > With best wishes, > > Gerard. > > -- > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:00:28PM -0700, Dale Tronrud wrote: >>The phases do have effec

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder or poor phases?

2012-04-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 4/10/2012 10:44 PM, Kay Diederichs wrote: Hi Dale, my experience is that high-B regions may become "visible" in maps only late in refinement. So my answer to the original poster would be - "both global reciprocal-space (phase quality) and local real-space (high mobility) features contribute

Re: [ccp4bb] Criteria for Ligand fitting

2012-04-25 Thread Dale Tronrud
p with any other reasonable model. Saying that my map is "consistent" with my model is a very weak statement in the absence of exclusivity. A recent example of this sort of problem can be read about at (warning: tooting my own horn) http://www.springerlink.com/content/b8h6lg138635380v/?

Re: [ccp4bb] Anisotropic diffraction

2012-04-29 Thread Dale Tronrud
there to begin with. Dale Tronrud On 4/28/2012 12:06 AM, Zhijie Li wrote: Hi, My first thought was same with David: the truncation won't change the crystal's space group. The symmetry of the crystal is reflected by the symmetry of the amplitudes of many many reflections across a

Re: [ccp4bb] Baverage calculation

2012-05-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
ordered parts, or, say, the Wilson B. Dale Tronrud On 05/11/12 02:32, wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to make the comparative study of different mutant structures. > There > is a region which is flexible and missing in some cases. Is there any direct > method of calculating th

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange Density

2012-05-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
p. Not everything can be identified in a 1 A map. Your job is to say "these parts I understand and these parts I don't". Dale Tronrud On 05/15/12 07:51, RHYS GRINTER wrote: > Dear Community, > > As I'm a relatively new to protein crystallography this might tu

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculating ED Maps from structure factor files with no sigma

2012-05-23 Thread Dale Tronrud
would be sigma(2mFo-DFc). This would be estimated from a complex calculation of sigma(sigmaA), sigma(Fo), sigma(Fc) and sigma(Phic). I expect that the contribution of sigma(Fo) would be one of the smallest contributors to this calculation, as long as Fo is "observed". I wouldn't expect the loss of sigma(Fo) to be catastrophic. Wouldn't sigma(sigmaA) be the largest component since sigmaA is a function of resolution and based only on the test set? Dale Tronrud > > > All the best, > Nicholas > >

Re: [ccp4bb] embarrassingly simple MAD phasing question (another)

2010-10-14 Thread Dale Tronrud
s means that in the presence of anomalous scattering the phase of F(000) is not zero. It is also the only reflection who's phase is not affected by the choice of origin. Dale Tronrud On 10/13/10 22:38, James Holton wrote: > An interesting guide to doing phasing "by hand"

Re: [ccp4bb] quantum diffraction

2010-10-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 10/15/10 12:38, Bart Hazes wrote: > The photon moves through the crystal in finite time and most of the time > it keeps going without interacting with the crystal, i.e. no > diffraction. However, if diffraction occurs it is instantaneous, or at > least so fast as to consider it instantaneous. In

[ccp4bb] Enforcing ncs on water molecules

2010-11-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
reset the waters in each cluster to the average location. Has someone already written something along these lines? If so, I would rather not duplicate their effort. Thanks in advance, Dale Tronrud

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group and R/Rfree value

2010-12-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
assumption of C centering these weak reflections are discarded and the R values will go down. Your goal is not to reduce the R values, but to fit the data. If these reflections have non-zero intensities you must integrate them and add them to your refinement. Dale Tronrud On 12/01/10 08:31, Xiaopeng

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Wyckoff positions and protein atoms

2010-12-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
Personally I find it disturbing to have the occupancy of "B 31" set to 0.33 and that of "D 31" set to 1.00 simply because of an insignificant shift in the position of the atom. Dale Tronrud On 12/10/10 13:53, Ian Tickle wrote: > Good point Colin! 2-Zn insulin is of co

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Wyckoff positions and protein atoms

2010-12-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
ion and if they are close enough to their symmetry image to forbid coexistence the occupancy should be 1/n. I think either assumption is reasonable but, of course, prefer mine for what I consider practical reasons. It helps that I have to code to make mine work. Dale Tronrud On 12/15/10 08:54, Ian

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Wyckoff positions and protein atoms

2010-12-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
say > 10*rounding error of an axis as distinct from being on the axis, then > a) there's no way that can be proved, and b) it would be > indistinguishable from being on the s.p. and the difference in terms > of structure factors and maps would be insignificant anyway, so it may

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Wyckoff positions and protein atoms

2010-12-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
tom in the vicinity of that point and it might be exactly on the axis but it might be a little off. All structural models are fuzzy. Dale Tronrud

Re: [ccp4bb] Noisy difference maps with high solvent content?

2011-01-28 Thread Dale Tronrud
that level are errors as significant as the one you created. Dale Tronrud On 01/28/11 12:29, Todd Geders wrote: > Greetings CCP4bb, > > *Short version: > > Very noisy difference maps from a crystal with extremely high solvent > content, seeking advice on how best to hand

[ccp4bb] Ken Olsen, Founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, Died Sunday

2011-02-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
and what great science was done on them! Dale Tronrud

Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-03-30 Thread Dale Tronrud
ATOM/HETATM records are already defined with great specificity, if you want the model to contain additional information you will have to define new parameters, or some way to specify the information you want to include using other, existing, records more adequate to the task (e.g. SIGATM). Dale

Re: [ccp4bb] The meaning of B-factor, was Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-03-31 Thread Dale Tronrud
pile even more factors into this field in the PDB file. Dale Tronrud On 3/31/2011 9:06 AM, Zbyszek Otwinowski wrote: The B-factor in crystallography represents the convolution (sum) of two types of uncertainties about the atom (electron cloud) position: 1) dispersion of atom positions in cr

Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-03-31 Thread Dale Tronrud
e user of structural models wouldn't know to check this tag - they aren't going to know about your magic B factor either. You can't out-think someone who's not paying attention. At some point you have to assume that people being paid to perform research will learn the basics of the data they are using, even if you know that assumption is not 100% true. Dale Tronrud

Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-03-31 Thread Dale Tronrud
We *should* go out of our way to make a solution to this common problem. The solution we choose should be one that actually solves the problem and not simply creates more confusion. Dale Tronrud P.S. I just Googled "occupancy zero". The top hit is a letter from Bernhard Rupp recommending that occupancies not be set to zero :-)

Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-04-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
g our models we will continue to return to this argument again and again with no possibility of coming to a solution. Dale Tronrud P.S. I've even thought about using the model of the "REMARK" statement, where all sorts of information have been added by the hack of "standardized rema

Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-04-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
o see them before our precious works of art are unleashed on the world. Seems like a win-win solution to me. Dale Tronrud On 4/3/2011 9:17 PM, Jacob Keller wrote: Well, what about getting the default settings on the major molecular viewers to hide atoms with either occ=0 or b>cutoff ("

Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-04-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
be built for every surface lysine the IMGATM keyword and the program WASNIAHC would allow it to be generated and represented in an unambiguous and minimally confusing fashion. I wouldn't be happy having to add imaginary atoms to my models, but the representation meets my criteria, and I think

Re: [ccp4bb] Lattice sampling and resolution - a seeming paradox?

2011-04-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
uations where this is a problem are: Calculating structure factors (Fcalc) from a model electron density map. Calculating gradients using the Agarwal method. Phase extension via ncs map averaging (including cross-crystal averaging). Phase extension via solvent flattening (depending on how you do

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning, Wilson scaling and B factor

2011-05-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
nly change your Wilson B but it is quite inappropriate. Dale Tronrud On 05/20/11 09:43, fulvio.saccoc...@uniroma1.it wrote: > Thanks Ian, > but your reply confused me a little. > I hope you can explain me where I was wrong. > > I know that > > I(twin)=tf*I(h1)+(1-tf)*I(h

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
cause the overall rms to be low even if the rms calculated over the protein is the same. Dale Tronrud course, crystals with a high solvent content tend to diffract poorly and if the solvent is not featureless, this will not work either. If you get high Rfree values for a structure with high solve

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-27 Thread Dale Tronrud
alone and reproduced this problem. If you have refined a model with space group P1 in Refmac I suggest you download the new version and see if your stats improve. Dale Tronrud On 5/27/2011 3:29 AM, Petr Kolenko wrote: Dear colleagues, Q2 is solved by new installation of Refmac. Many thanks fo

Re: [ccp4bb] Change cell parameter

2011-06-08 Thread Dale Tronrud
Since this is a change in cell convention from an acute monoclinic to an obtuse monoclinic indexing, I suspect that more than a change in the mtz header is required. The reciprocal lattice needs to be reindexed. Will pointless perform this task? Dale Tronrud On 06/08/11 08:10, Vellieux

Re: [ccp4bb] how to estimate bond length error from crystal structure

2011-06-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
If you have atomic resolution data you could use shelxl to invert the least-squares matrix and calculate standard uncertainties for all the bond lengths and angles. Dale Tronrud On 06/15/11 07:57, Tian-Min Fu wrote: > Dear friends, > > > > A zinc atom is located in th

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper & structure retracted

2011-08-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
tliers. The tools proposed by the Validation Task Force should cause a model like this to pop out clearly. Even the old tools show this model is quite unreliable. We just have to use them. Dale Tronrud On 08/10/11 14:35, Jacob Keller wrote: > On the surface it doesn't seem as bad as

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper & structure retracted

2011-08-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
Oops! My bond length rmsd was 0.106 not 0.160 A. Still unacceptable but not quite as bad. Sorry, Dale Tronrud On 08/10/11 15:45, Dale Tronrud wrote: >I've made a quick look at the model and the paper - and it doesn't > need more than a quick look. The description of th

Re: [ccp4bb] BAVERAGE and anisotropic refinement

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
where the average B factor of the solvent wasn't higher than the protein. Dale Tronrud On 08/11/11 07:10, David Schuller wrote: > At the request of reviewers, I worked up the average B factor for some > structures using CCP4 programme BAVERAGE. Here's one example: > > Pro

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper & structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
#x27;t be sure, but I suspect that that model would be an apo form and probably of little interest. This is a good case for an "obsolete without replacement". I should note that, while the paper has been retracted, I see no indication that the entry 2QNS has been "obsoleted".

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper & structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
looks like. Apparently some people don't know what features to look for to distinguish between signal and noise. Dale Tronrud On 08/11/11 09:40, Diana Tomchick wrote: > A quick glance at the header of the PDB file shows that there is one glaring > discrepancy between it and the table in

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper & structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
on user-friendly software is not good enough. This is the question facing the crystallographic community that desperately needs an answer. Dale Tronrud On 08/11/11 13:33, Maia Cherney wrote: > As the macromolecular crystallography becomes more automated and > user-friendly many biologists lea

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper & structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
on to reject it. Dale Tronrud On 08/11/11 14:42, Jacob Keller wrote: > Do reviewers ever get taken to task for these things? Don't they share > at least some of the responsibility? Maybe they should have to give > their explicit imprimatur, perhaps only after the fact, if published?

Re: [ccp4bb] Modeling ligands in binding pockets when the density is weak.

2011-08-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
n the vial. In addition I've had cases where bits were cleaved from the compound at some point before binding. Sometimes you can't see it because it simply isn't there. Dale Tronrud On 08/24/11 01:02, herman.schreu...@sanofi-aventis.com wrote: > Dear Francis, > > Althoug

Re: [ccp4bb] units of the B factor

2009-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
in that definition. The basic definition would start with the deviation of scattering points from the Miller planes and those deviations are probably defined in cycle or radian and later converted to Angstrom so there are conversion factors present from the beginning. I'm sure that if the M

Re: [ccp4bb] units of the B factor

2009-11-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
the answer will be something like B in A^2 radian^2 and in A^2 cycle^2. It would be much clearer it someone figured out exactly what those units are and we started properly stating the units of each. I'm sorry that I don't have the time myself for this project. Dale Tronrud P.S. As

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: pdb-l: Retraction of 12 Structures

2009-12-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
method worked in this case. Kudos to the University of Alabama at Birmingham for facing this problem and following through with their investigation of earlier allegations. Dale Tronrud > > = > > Dr Paula Salgado > >

Re: [ccp4bb] naming convention for the guanidine group of Arginine

2010-01-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
using rms's. Dale Tronrud Charlie Bond wrote: > Hi Gerard, > > Interesting - isn't it the case that for Arg, the the NH1 and NH2 atoms > are chemically distinguishable and the convention is unambiguous (NH1 > cis to CD and NH2 trans, if I recall correctly). > > The tr

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge

2010-01-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
reported. With today's data collection techniques I can't for the life of me figure out a reason for having both Rsym and Rmerge. Dale Tronrud Bart Hazes wrote: > For what it's worth, I've been told that Rmerge was used originally, in > the pre-cryo few images per cr

Re: [ccp4bb] coot: fit ligand

2010-01-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
ange these keywords and see if that helps. On the other hand, I can't imagine what Coot could do to improve on the fantastic Val-Lys model in 8TLN. Surly that model is without flaw! ;-) Dale Tronrud Tim Gruene wrote: > Dear all, > > we would like to ask coot to fit th

Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density

2010-02-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
inement to remove "vacuum bias", just leave it alone while you fix everything you can figure out. Dale Tronrud > Mark > > Quoting Katja Schleider : > >> Dear all, >> >> I found some fairly substantial density in the active site of my >> protein

Re: [ccp4bb] tls problem in C2221

2010-02-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
e residuals not only possible but inevitable? Dale Tronrud Eleanor Dodson wrote: > Two possible points. Could there be a problem with twinning, or > spacegroup? The Rfactors seem rather high.. > > You dont say whether you have a non-crystallographic translation, but it > is faintly

Re: [ccp4bb] units of f0, f', f''

2010-02-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
to use additional labels when certain quantities arise in my work. It isn't a matter of you being right and me being wrong or the other way around. The only logically consistent solution is to have no units at all, and that would be terribly confusing to everyone. Dale Tronrud marc.schi...@

Re: [ccp4bb] units of f0, f', f''

2010-02-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
t;your own program, but equations have to obey the rules of algebra. I don't >know what was the context that gave rise to the original question but I think >it's quite likely to have been the equation f = f0 + f' + if", in which case >one needs to be careful to avoid ambig

Re: [ccp4bb] units of f0, f', f''

2010-02-28 Thread Dale Tronrud
nd I should get together in a bar somewhere and hash this out. Dale Tronrud Gerard Bricogne wrote: Dear all, Two slight confusions seem to have popped up intermittently in this thread, in messages other than those included here. The first one was related to the charge of the electron -

Re: [ccp4bb] sigma cutoff for fitting waters in model

2010-04-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
uot;electron scattering equivalents"/A^3 (OMG we're not back to that again ;-) ) and avoid this whole sliding scale problem. Dale Tronrud On 04/21/10 17:21, James Holton wrote: > Like so many rules of thumb, the 3-sigma fofc and 1-sigma 2fofc is a > reasonable guideline that works v

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
u find it hard to understand or it doesn't work. Certainly the Phenix solution looks simpler. Dale Tronrud On 05/03/10 15:27, Yi-Liang Liu wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've checked the previous posts about how to generate the difference map > from two crystals with differen

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
ould be more popular if they weren't so cumbersome to calculate in the CCP4 world. Dale Tronrud On 05/04/10 04:48, Ian Tickle wrote: > Dale, > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Dale Tronrud > wrote: >> The greater the difference in cell constants the greater the "no

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
f is way out of equilibrium (such as ATP hydrolysis in the cell) but I don't think that's a simple mutation of your enzyme. ;-) Dale Tronrud On 05/18/10 00:31, Vinson LIANG wrote: > Dear all, > > Sorry for this silly biochemistory question. Thing is that I have a > reve

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
without making it less stable when approached "from the right". Dale Tronrud On 05/18/10 12:34, Maia Cherney wrote: > If you change the reaction rate in one direction 1000 times slower than > in the other direction, then the reaction becomes practically > irreversible. And the

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
iginal poster could clarify the question. Dale Tronrud On 05/21/10 13:53, Lijun Liu wrote: >> If I understand what you are saying, I think it is too. >> >> You imply that asymmetry in the enzyme results in two isomerase >> pathways. This may be true, but it has no consequ

Re: [ccp4bb] Far to good r-factors

2010-05-31 Thread Dale Tronrud
ts 3A data very well. Dale Tronrud Paul Lindblom wrote: Hi everybody, once more I need your help. I solved the structure of an enzyme at resolution of 1.9 A. Now I was trying to get a complex and soaked some ligand to my crystals. I could solve the structure (and see poor density for my liga

Re: [ccp4bb] Far to good r-factors

2010-06-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
he absence of high resolution data as they are in its presence. Dale Tronrud On 06/01/10 04:51, Ian Tickle wrote: > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Dale Tronrud > wrote: >> One of the great mysteries of refinement is that a model created using >> high resolution data will f

Re: [ccp4bb] MR on low resolution soaking data.

2010-06-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
between the domains. Don't worry about the ligand until you solve the protein structure. Whether you see it in the end will depend on how big it is and how good your 4 A data are. Of course, it's possible that it doesn't bind at all. Dale Tronrud On 06/07/10 12:1

[ccp4bb] New Version of the Protein Geometry Database Operational

2010-06-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
A new version of the Protein Geometry Database (PGD) has just been released. This version includes - The ability to compose queries and analyze the behavior of side chain chi angles. - Structures released in the wwPDB up to April 8, 2010 consisting of roughly 18,000 nonredundant protein c

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd loop stabilised by an cation

2010-07-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
codes and residues of any matches found. If you need any detailed assistance using this server, I'd be happy to help. Dale Tronrud On 07/02/10 05:44, Domen Zafred wrote: > Dear all, > > There is an odd loop on the surface of my structure. Three back-bone > oxygen atoms are turne

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