Re: [ccp4bb] membrane protein and phase separation

2013-08-02 Thread R. M. Garavito
Pascal, The reason this phenomenon looks odd to you is that detergent phase separation is not a micelle size phenomenon, but a micelle surface phenomenon. Like any colloidal solution, even protein, there can be conditions where the colloidal particles aggregate (the cloud point), creating a mi

Re: [ccp4bb] membrane protein and phase separation

2013-08-02 Thread vincent Chaptal
Hi Pascal, this behavior doesn't surprise me. We had crystals in FC12, and didn't get any phase transitions in any PEGs from 200 to 20.000, and with or w/o organic solvents such as MPD. And I can tell you we had a lot of detergent with the purified protein, concentrating on 50kDa. With lipids,

Re: [ccp4bb] membrane protein and phase separation

2013-08-01 Thread Noinaj, Nicholas (NIH/NIDDK) [F]
Pascal, Not personally observed this myself, but just wondering, as a control, have you tried setting trays with just the buffer+detergent (no PDC)? And if so, do you see the same behavior or not? Also, do you see phase separation in all drops or just a majority? Do the drops that exhibit th