[ccp4bb] tricky molecular replacement III

2007-11-10 Thread Jan Abendroth
Hi all, thanks to several tremendously helpful replies I got the molecular replacement, which I bugged the ccp4bb with during the last weeks, under control. Thanks for all the input, I'll send out a summary soon. One question remains, though: With an improved search model, the molecular replaceme

Re: [ccp4bb] tricky molecular replacement

2007-11-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I would stop trying to use a map! that is an act of desperation when you have uninterpretable but possibly somewhat true experimentally phased density.. If you have a model it is MUCH MUCH easier! So as I said - I would find the best hexagonal dimer - you may know this or you can dispatch the s

Re: [ccp4bb] tricky molecular replacement

2007-11-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes- ALMN seems to have given one excellent match between the data sets which is encouraging. But since you are matching hexagonal to trigonal you get a large number of symmetry equivalent peaks, relating a molecule from the P1 set to one of the hexagonal set. The angles are defined so that: "T

Re: [ccp4bb] tricky molecular replacement

2007-11-04 Thread Randy J. Read
The procedure of cutting out electron density, putting it into a large unit cell, and backtransforming to get structure factors can be tricky (as you've discovered), so we put some instructions on our webpage: http://www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk/phaser/density_as_model.html The last time I tri

Re: [ccp4bb] tricky molecular replacement

2007-11-03 Thread Jan Abendroth
Hi all, thanks a lot for the various responses. When I tried to use a map as the serach model, I ran into various problems: again, the starting point is a weak, yet convincing molecular replacement solution in the hexagonal crystal form (1mol/asu) and no MR solution in P1 (2mol/asu, 2-fold in SRF).

Re: [ccp4bb] tricky molecular replacement

2007-11-03 Thread Randy J. Read
If you take a PDB file from the solution for the hexagonal form as your input model for a translation search in P1, then the cross-rotation peaks that rotate the hexagonal data onto the P1 data should be the correct orientations. (Phaser uses the same definition for Euler angles as ALMN.) I'd g

Re: [ccp4bb] tricky molecular replacement

2007-11-02 Thread Edward A. Berry
One other idea idea: 1. Solvent flattening on the hexagonal crystal 2. use the flattening mask to cut out the density of one molecule, put in a large P1 cell for calculating structure factors 3. Use the structure factors from the density of the hexagonal crystal to solve the triclinic crysta

[ccp4bb] tricky molecular replacement

2007-11-02 Thread Jan Abendroth
Hi all, I have a tricky molecular replacement case. One protein in two different crystal forms: hexagonal with 1 mol/asu, triclinic with 2 mol/asu (based on packing and self rotation). No experimental phases are available this far, however, there is a distant homology model. For the hexagonal crys