Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-09 Thread anna anna
Thanks to all again! Find below my answers/comments to all your replies. Colin Nave, I'll certainly collect higher resolution dataset to look for more diagnostic rings. Apo-ferritin xtallizes in the same conditions with the same cell (I know it from literature), I'll measure it too, to look for di

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-09 Thread Jrh
Dear Anna, Very interesting diffraction pattern. Any chance of measuring to higher resolution? Ie to try and capture the higher order rings, which presumably are there. Also interesting that these rings seem quite weak ie the ferritin perhaps not fully loaded? Best wishes, John Prof John R Helli

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-08 Thread Colin Nave
nes I was fretting about. All diffraction features (rings or spots) should be indexed otherwise the job is incomplete! Colin From: Jacob Keller [mailto:j-kell...@fsm.northwestern.edu] Sent: 08 May 2012 18:29 To: Nave, Colin (DLSLtd,RAL,DIA) Cc: ccp4bb Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals Dear

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-08 Thread James Holton
Seems to me that if you really do have a little magnet inside your ferritin you would expect the protein crystal to behave like a "spin glass". Spin glasses are a classic homework problem in statistical thermodynamics that makes most students question their choice of major. However, invoking

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-08 Thread Jacob Keller
ngs but you > should check. Also be nice to know if apoferritin crystallised under the > same conditions (if it can be) shows these rings > > Regards > Colin > > From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of > anna anna > Sent: 08 May 2012 16:55 > To:

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-08 Thread Colin Nave
2 16:55 To: ccp4bb Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals Dear all, first of all I want to thank you for your attention and all your brilliant suggestions that really cleared my head!!! Thanks to you (or because of you!!) now I have many ideas and very much to do. Colin, I was just re-considering my d

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-08 Thread R. M. Garavito
Dear Anna, I know that you already have gotten replies from some top experts, but your intriguing problem brought up some issues I have run across in the past. First, from you experience with single crystal diffraction, your results are not that much different from those seen in virus structu

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-08 Thread Colin Nave
nanoparticles). Have you looked for such effects in the diffraction patterns which you already have from the single crystals? Colin From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of anna anna Sent: 07 May 2012 17:30 To: ccp4bb Subject: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals Dear all, I'd like

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-08 Thread Jrh
Dear Anna, The reprint:- http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0020169300822689 has some bearing on your query. Best wishes, John Prof John R Helliwell DSc On 7 May 2012, at 17:30, anna anna wrote: > Dear all, > I'd like some suggestions/opinions about the sense of an experiment

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread Colin Nave
cp4bb Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals Dear Anna, I once modified CNS to refine two solvent regions of ferritin, one inside and one outside the shell. Perhaps this can be done in Phenix now. If you want to locate magnetite particles in this way, you should collect data to as low a resoluti

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread Edward Snell
: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of anna anna Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 12:30 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals Dear all, I'd like some suggestions/opinions about the sense of an experiment proposed by a collaborator expert in saxs. In

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread Murray, James W
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:30 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals Dear all, I'd like some suggestions/opinions about the sense of an experiment proposed by a collaborator expert in saxs. In few words, he wants to collect SAXS data on a suspension of protei

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread Jacob Keller
It might be that the "bulk solvent correction" is nullifying the interior of the ferritin structure, and there should be a way to tell the refinement software not to treat the interior as solvent. Perhaps then you might find your Fe? Also, I would think there should be some powder-like diffraction

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread Lucas
2012/5/7 David Schuller : > That sounds like powder diffraction. That was also my impression. There are at least two groups doing interesting things on this subject - Andy Fitch/Irene Margiolaki at ESRF and Robert von Dreele at APS. I've contacted the first group after meeting Andy Fitch in a XRD

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread David Schuller
That sounds like powder diffraction. On 05/07/12 12:30, anna anna wrote: Dear all, I'd like some suggestions/opinions about the sense of an experiment proposed by a collaborator expert in saxs. In few words, he wants to collect SAXS data on a suspension of protein xtals to investigate "low res

[ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-07 Thread anna anna
Dear all, I'd like some suggestions/opinions about the sense of an experiment proposed by a collaborator expert in saxs. In few words, he wants to collect SAXS data on a suspension of protein xtals to investigate "low resolution periodicity" of the xtal (more details below). The experiment requires