Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5.7 refine pesudo-translational symmetry

2012-08-01 Thread Qixu Cai
Dear Eleanor, The cell dimensions of the dataset with tNCS are 63.995 75.459 128.860 90.00 90.00 90.00 in P 2 21 21 space group. But for the other dataset without tNCS of the same protein, the cell dimensions are 64.203 65.319 76.443 90.00 90.00 90.00 in C 2 2 21. So the cell volume

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5.7 refine pesudo-translational symmetry

2012-08-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Are your unit cell and SG correct? I think you maybe should reindex to get a cell volume 25% of this one, and maybe SG P21 That patterson peak is enormous.. Eleanor On 1 Aug 2012, at 08:45, Qixu Cai wrote: > Dear Randy, > > Thanks very much for your detailed explanation and helpful advice. I hav

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5.7 refine pesudo-translational symmetry

2012-08-01 Thread Qixu Cai
Dear Randy, Thanks very much for your detailed explanation and helpful advice. I have run the phaser job just as you have said. This is the result. The resolution of this dataset is 2.45A. = I added the three commands to phaser

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5.7 refine pesudo-translational symmetry

2012-07-31 Thread Randy Read
Hi, The second Patterson peak is twice the first (considering lattice translations, where 1 is equivalent to 0 modulo 1), and then if you triple the first vector you'll get minus the first vector (again considering lattice translations, i.e. 3/4 is equal to 1 - 1/4 which is equivalent to -1/4)

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5.7 refine pesudo-translational symmetry

2012-07-31 Thread Qixu Cai
It's a P212121 dataset. I have used phaser to find four solution in ASU. This is the phaser log file: PEUDO-TRANSLATIONAL NCS VECTOR -- Space Group : P 21 21 21 Pat

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5.7 refine pesudo-translational symmetry

2012-07-31 Thread Steiner, Roberto
My understanding is that ML functions in the presence of pseudo-translational symmetry are suboptimal (see a very short discussion in Acta Cryst. (2011). D67, 355–367. Acta Cryst. (2008). D64, 99–107 is also a good reading). Having said that if your crystal/dataset exhibits twinning on top of ps

[ccp4bb] refmac5.7 refine pesudo-translational symmetry

2012-07-31 Thread Qixu Cai
Dear all, Can I use the "twin refinement" to refine the pesudo-translational symmetry dataset? Thanks a lot for your help. Best wishes, Qixu Cai