Re: [ccp4bb] refinment in lower space group vs. higher

2009-01-05 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Apologies. I do indeed mean ZANUBA as Kay pointed out !!! Tassos On 5 Jan 2009, at 10:19, Kay Diederichs wrote: Anastassis Perrakis schrieb: 2. USe the BALBES server in Garib's home page. This will 'expand' your reflections to P1 and all space groups between P1 and your assigned symmetr

Re: [ccp4bb] refinment in lower space group vs. higher

2009-01-05 Thread Kay Diederichs
Anastassis Perrakis schrieb: 2. USe the BALBES server in Garib's home page. This will 'expand' your reflections to P1 and all space groups between P1 and your assigned symmetry. Then it will try and refine the structure in all these space groups. If the Rfree is significantly lower in one of

Re: [ccp4bb] refinment in lower space group vs. higher

2009-01-05 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Hi - What Ron says, is of course correct, you should refine your structure in the highest symmetry space group consistent with the experimental data. The question though sometimes is exactly what is the highest symmetry space group consistent with the experimental data. Although I am fa

Re: [ccp4bb] refinment in lower space group vs. higher

2009-01-04 Thread Ronald E Stenkamp
Hi. If the most precise and accurate description of your crystal structure is the orthorhombic one, you should average the replicated reflections and refine the structure in C2221. If the crystals are orthorhombic and you refine and report it in C2, you're producing a model that is larger and

Re: [ccp4bb] refinment in lower space group vs. higher

2009-01-03 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Also try BALBES from the York site supplying the high symmetry data and let it check things for you. Sent from my iPhone On 3 Jan 2009, at 14:40, James Holton wrote: You should pick your free-R set in C2221 and then symmetry-expand it to C2. Otherwise, every hkl in your "free" R set will

Re: [ccp4bb] refinment in lower space group vs. higher

2009-01-03 Thread James Holton
You should pick your free-R set in C2221 and then symmetry-expand it to C2. Otherwise, every hkl in your "free" R set will have an NCS "mate" in the working set, and using NCS restrains will completely invalidate the free R analysis. That is, your free-R will be essentially equal to the regul

[ccp4bb] refinment in lower space group vs. higher

2009-01-02 Thread Yu Jiang
Dear all, I am now refining one structure in space group C2 with 2 molecules, however we find the data can be processed in C2221 with 1 molecule. The questions are: 1. Can I still use space group C2 instead of C2221, even if the two molecules almost have crystallographic symmetry? Should I provid