Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine and refmac

2008-03-04 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Yang Li, 0) Cool down -:) 1) To see if the refinement is converged in phenix.refine is easy: just look how R-factors change from macro-cycle to macro-cycle (this is reported in PDB file header and in .log file). If they don't change much, then it is "converged". If they still going down, t

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine and refmac

2008-03-04 Thread yang li
Thanks for your replies. I did use default settings in phenix refine, included TLS in it. This is an about 2.3A data, and the number Rfree used to refine is big enough. I also kept the same Rfree in two programs. In refmac I also tried diffenrent weighting sets--from defaut 0.3 to 0.02, TLS inc

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine and refmac

2008-03-04 Thread Partha Chakrabarti
One point which I don't understand is how can someone compare the two different programs when they don't use the same numbers for xray:geometry terms? Taking the default settings for a given resolution might not be enough.. ! On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Savvas Savvides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine and refmac

2008-03-04 Thread Savvas Savvides
Hi Yang how many reflections do you have in your test-set for calculating R-free? Too few reflections, typically less than 500, may not constitute a statistically robust cross-validation data set, and thus may lead to fluctuations in R-free plus a tendency for R-free to increase as a function of

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine and refmac

2008-03-04 Thread Nikos Pinotsis
Dear Yang, it would be better if you could provide more details about your refinement strategies. As I can see from your results you might have used the default values in phenix giving you finally very low rmsd values. Refmac by default is not using so tight restraints and even if you used tig

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine and refmac

2008-03-04 Thread William Scott
I'd take the one with the lowest Rfree, but it would be worthwhile to figure out why the refinement appears unstable. phenix should work at least as well as refmac, and as far as I am aware, use the same bond parameters. yang li wrote: > Yes, I got the mtz file which can be oopened by coot

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine and refmac

2008-03-04 Thread yang li
Yes, I got the mtz file which can be oopened by coot, so can I take the phenix result? I am customed to use refmac before, but now is confused when several choices come out. On 3/4/08, William Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > phenix.refine also produces an mtz file by default, and that c

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine and refmac

2008-03-04 Thread William Scott
phenix.refine also produces an mtz file by default, and that can be auto-opened with coot, along with the coordinates. On Mar 4, 2008, at 7:27 AM, yang li wrote: Since the map from phenix couldnot be opened by coot directly--or I donnot know how to--I used refmac to get a mtz map file.

[ccp4bb] phenix.refine and refmac

2008-03-04 Thread yang li
Dear All, I have post a similar question about CNS and refmac before, now in another structure I met a similar problem. I have an almost finished structure, the Rfree of which is about 0.28 by refmac. Then I used phenix to refine it, below is the result: REMARK REFINEMENT