Re: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test

2009-09-25 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Ben, On 9/24/09 8:15 AM, Ben Flath wrote: I will reprocess my data and try and use the UCLA anisotropy server (open to suggestions here). once you solved and refined your structure, it would be great if you deposit to PDB your original data (not manipulated by, for example, anisotrop

Re: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test

2009-09-24 Thread Ben Flath
Hi Eleanor Thanks a lot for your advice I will reprocess my data and try and use the UCLA anisotropy server (open to suggestions here). I have done most of my work so far in the small cell and Yes I would say there is an indication of twinning A) xtriage and SFcheck both say twinning is proba

[ccp4bb] perfect twin test

2009-09-23 Thread Ben Flath
Hi Firstly thanks to all who replied to my original post. The clear consensus was to look for pseudo-symmetry. I must admit there is more to the story. Here goes the long version. Crystals are Hexagonal bi-pyramids (under ideal conditions they are very beautiful nice crisp edges etc.  non idea

[ccp4bb] perfect twin test

2009-09-23 Thread Ben Flath
  Hi Firstly thanks to all who replied to my original post. The clear consensus was to look for pseudo symmetry. I must admit there is more to the story. Here goes the long version. Crystals are Hexagonal bi-pyramids (under ideal conditions they are very beautiful nice crisp edges etc.  non

Re: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test

2009-09-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
gives descriptive output. From: Ben Flath Reply-To: Ben Flath Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:31:26 -0500 To: Conversation: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test Subject: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test Hi all when subjecting my data to the perfect twin test /*2 I get values very

Re: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test

2009-09-23 Thread Graeme Winter
 It does several tests >> and gives descriptive output. >> >> >> >> From: Ben Flath >> Reply-To: Ben Flath >> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:31:26 -0500 >> To: >> Conversation: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test >> Subject: [ccp

Re: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test

2009-09-22 Thread Ben Flath
gives descriptive output. > > > > From: Ben Flath > Reply-To: Ben Flath > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:31:26 -0500 > To: > Conversation: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test > Subject: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test > > Hi all > > when subjecti

Re: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test

2009-09-22 Thread Engin Ozkan
That might be a sign of pseudo-translational symmetry. Check your native patterson. phenix.xtriage will also tell you. In the presence of pseudo-translational symmetry, twinning stats will be hard to interpret. Engin On 9/22/09 12:31 PM, Ben Flath wrote: Hi all when subjecting my data to th

[ccp4bb] perfect twin test

2009-09-22 Thread Ben Flath
Hi allwhen subjecting my data to the perfect twin test /*2 I get values very close to 3 which is far off the theoretical values of 1.5 and 2 for twinned and untwinned data.can anyone shed some light on what might be going on with my data. Could tetartohedral twinning have anything to do with it?Tha