Such anomalous <I*2>/<I>*2 values usually reflect the fact that you have a non-crystllographic translation which means a large % of your reflections will be very weak ( eg if you had mistakenly called a C2 data set P2, all the h+k=2n+1 would be ~0, and non-crystalllographic translation can cause similar near-absences) However the Ltest for twinning is less affected by such a non-crystallographic translation and can indicate twinning. Programs also use the H-test that looks at correlations between reflections which ould be matched by a twin operator. This is a good test PROVIDING you have the right point group.. If for instance you give your pointgroup as PG4 when it is really PG422 the Htest will say - brilliant match between hkl andkh-l; maybe that is a twin operator with alpha 0.49999

I guess all this adds up to the fact that you need to be cautious re twinning..
  Eleanor



Ben Flath wrote:
I have used phenix.xtriage. It finds three twin laws with alpha ~0.48 for all of them and the results of the perfect twin test are well over 2. Ben
On 9/22/09 1:50 PM, Tanner, John J. wrote:
I suggest you analyze your data with phenix.xtriage.  It does several tests and 
gives descriptive output.


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From: Ben Flath <bef...@mail.usask.ca>
Reply-To: Ben Flath <bef...@mail.usask.ca>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:31:26 -0500
To: <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
Conversation: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test
Subject: [ccp4bb] perfect twin test

Hi all

when subjecting my data to the perfect twin test <I*2>/<I>*2 I get values very 
close to 3 which is far off the theoretical values of 1.5 and 2 for twinned and untwinned 
data.

can anyone shed some light on what might be going on with my data. Could 
tetartohedral twinning have anything to do with it?

Thanks


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Benjamin Flath
College of Pharmacy and Nutrition
University of Saskatchewan
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Saskatoon, SK
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