Re: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute

2019-08-22 Thread Markus Heckmann
Dear Flemming, On 8/21/19, Flemming Goery wrote: > I find the message in my original e-mail has changed, perhaps by hackers, What do u mean by 'hackers' BTW!!! > > Dear all: > A has sought a job in the lab of B. B invited A for a interview with a PPT > oral presentation, as requested A has sen

[ccp4bb] 回复: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute

2019-08-21 Thread Flemming Goery
__ 发件人: Nagarajan V 发送时间: 2019年8月21日 21:17 收件人: Flemming Goery 主题: Re: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute Speaking somewhat from experience, C’s stance is more common. A can write to B’s funding agency or initiate action thru official chann

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute

2019-08-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
] Re: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute EXTERNAL : Real sender is owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk Another problem is that the structure was apparently originally not cited properly, and now still cited as work from the lab of B, rather than as work of A

Re: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute

2019-08-21 Thread Mark J van Raaij
Another problem is that the structure was apparently originally not cited properly, and now still cited as work from the lab of B, rather than as work of A... Mark J van Raaij Dpto de Estructura de Macromoleculas Centro Nacional de Biotecnologia - CSIC calle Darwin 3 E-28049 Madrid, Spain tel. (

Re: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute

2019-08-21 Thread Mark J van Raaij
From the story, it seems to be a bit more complicated than that, using not only a deposited public-domain PDB, but also other data transferred confidentially (undeposited pdb and oral and written reports). This does seem unethical to me. I have to admit we only have one side of the story though.

Re: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute

2019-08-21 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
If the structure has been deposited in the PDB and thus is public ally available, B (or F, G, Φ, Ξ, Δ, Α or whoever else) has every right to use it in a publication. “A” should follow the advice of Frank and do a happy dance for the usefulness of the work, or if not feeling like dancing she/he

Re: [ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute

2019-08-21 Thread Frank Von Delft
If A had deposited it to the PDB immediately, he'd have had been able to claim the kudos and help lots of scientists besides B. How is it that we structural biologists still are so precious about our coordinates? Or more to the point, that the supervisors still don't teach their students that

[ccp4bb] not solely pdb issue: need someone to officially settle the pdb dispute

2019-08-21 Thread Flemming Goery
Dear all: A has sought a job in the lab of B. B invited A for a interview with a PPT oral presentation, as requested B has sent the PPT on the structural biology research of XXX to B by e-mail, and presented in front of A and his postdoctoral researcher. After interview, B requested all researc