Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-17 Thread Jrh
Dear James, I agree with your chronology of the first full new protein structures by SR MAD. The 1975 two wavelength Hoppe and Jakubowksi study of erythrocruorin with Ni and Co Kalpha Xray tubes is a classic piece of work of in effect MAD phasing . See the IUCr Anomalous Scattering Conference

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-16 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Saturday, 16 March 2013, James Holton wrote: > The first report of shooting a protein crystal at a synchrotron (I > think) was in 1976: > http://www.pnas.org/content/73/1/128.full.pdf > that was rubredoxin > > The first PDB file that contains a "SYNCHROTRON=Y" entry is 1tld > (trypsin), which

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-16 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Thank you James, you should write a History book about the modern x-ray times. Or better make one of those movies you are famous for. Jürgen On Mar 16, 2013, at 10:46 AM, James Holton wrote: The first report of shooting a protein crystal at a synchrotron (I think) was in 1976: http://www.pnas.or

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-16 Thread James Holton
The first report of shooting a protein crystal at a synchrotron (I think) was in 1976: http://www.pnas.org/content/73/1/128.full.pdf that was rubredoxin The first PDB file that contains a "SYNCHROTRON=Y" entry is 1tld (trypsin), which was deposited in 1989: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0022-2836(

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Colin Nave
here http://xdb.lbl.gov/Section2/Sec_2-2.html Colin -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of DUMAS Philippe (UDS) Sent: 13 March 2013 19:22 To: ccp4bb Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX Jean Witz (now deceased)

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Todd Jason Green
of synchrotron radiation in PX And indeed this experiment was done properly ... in a suit and tie! http://www.embl-hamburg.de/aboutus/general_information/HH_about/history/HH-holmes.jpg A. PS The journal is indeed a bit obscure ... On 13 Mar 2013, at 20:22, DUMAS Philippe (UDS) wrote: > J

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Steiner, Roberto
Nice account on the subject J Synchrotron Radiat. 2010 July 1; 17(Pt 4): 433–444. Published online 2010 May 14. doi: 10.1107/S0909049510011611 Impact of synchrotron radiation on macromolecular crystallography: a personal view Zbigniew Dauter,a,* Mariusz Jaskolski,b,* and Alexander Wlodawer,c,*

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
And indeed this experiment was done properly ... in a suit and tie! http://www.embl-hamburg.de/aboutus/general_information/HH_about/history/HH-holmes.jpg A. PS The journal is indeed a bit obscure ... On 13 Mar 2013, at 20:22, DUMAS Philippe (UDS) wrote: > Jean Witz (now deceased) once told

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread DUMAS Philippe (UDS)
Jean Witz (now deceased) once told me that the following paper is the first one mentionning data "collection" on a synchrotron. The journal is not really "obscure" and the paper should easily be found. The work was done in Germany, if I remember well. G. Rosenbaum, K.C. Holmes and J. Witz, Synch

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Harry > Powell > Sent: 13 March 2013 15:04 > To: ccp4bb > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX > > Hi > > Not sure if this is strictly speaking the first protein *solved* on

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Jrh
Dear Colleagues, The paper http://dx.doi.org/10.1107/S0108768185002233 in work led by Howard Einspahr undertaken at SRS 7.2 is a protein structural specific result from synchrotron radiation. The MAD method of course yielded totally specific to SR protein crystal structures. The conceptualisati

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Peter Moody
mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of > Harry Powell > Sent: 13 March 2013 15:04 > To: ccp4bb > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX > > Hi > > Not sure if this is strictly speaking the first protein *solved* on a > synchrotron, but I t

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Colin Nave
board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Harry Powell Sent: 13 March 2013 15:04 To: ccp4bb Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX Hi Not sure if this is strictly speaking the first protein *solved* on a synchrotron, but I think this is the first report of sho

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Ganesh Natrajan
Nothing prescient about that. The MAD concept was first proposed by Herzberg and Lau in 1967, much before sycnhrotrons were used for protein crystallography. Herzenberg, A. & Lau, H. S. M. (1967) Acta. Crystallogr. 22, 24-28. http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?S0365110X6740 The PNAS p

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Jacob Keller
Did anyone see this prescient line in the PNAS paper? Seems that the MAD concept was suggested way back then... JPK "While the enhancement of anomalous scattering has not yet been examined in detail, it is in principle possible to use data collected at three wavelengths (15) to completely solve

Re: [ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Harry Powell
Hi Not sure if this is strictly speaking the first protein *solved* on a synchrotron, but I think this is the first report of shooting protein crystals at a synchrotron in the widely available literature - http://www.pnas.org/content/73/1/128.full.pdf+html Phillips J C, Wloda

[ccp4bb] first use of synchrotron radiation in PX

2013-03-13 Thread Alan Cheung
Hi all - i'm sure this many will know this : when and what was the first protein structure solved on a synchrotron? Thanks in advance Alan -- Alan Cheung Gene Center Ludwig-Maximilians-University Feodor-Lynen-Str. 25 81377 Munich Germany Phone: +49-89-2180-76845 Fax: +49-89-2180-76999 E-mail