Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Artem Evdokimov
blame me for that. Artem --- When the Weasel comes to give New Year's greetings to the Chickens no good intentions are in his mind. -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Eric Bennett Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:10 PM To: CCP4BB@JIS

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Boaz Shaanan
   Boaz - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rupp Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:30 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] fake images To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > It took from the 'official' IUCR recommendation in 2000 > > Guss M (2000) Guidelines for the deposition and release of

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Bernhard Rupp
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Eric Bennett Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:10 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] fake images Bernhard Rupp wrote: >I only scratched the surface and I think it would be hard work to fake >the images in a w

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Eric Bennett
Bernhard Rupp wrote: I only scratched the surface and I think it would be hard work to fake the images in a way that later expert forensics would not readily provide evidence. Also, there are 'watermarks' available from cryptographic methods that are even 'post-processing' resistant. A practi

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Bernhard Rupp
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] fake images After consultation with Ton Spek, I should correct my last email. It turns out that my 'watermark' was not clever enough, because PLATON - his program used to make the picture that I had randomly picked as an example - can e

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread artem
Steganographic encoding of a PGP-encoded graphical segment should not be difficult to incorporate... The problem of course is that the delicate signal of such a 'hidden' message would be subject to deliberate erasure unless the encoding is actually done on the level of reflections themselves (i.e.

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread George M. Sheldrick
After consultation with Ton Spek, I should correct my last email. It turns out that my 'watermark' was not clever enough, because PLATON - his program used to make the picture that I had randomly picked as an example - can emulate the XP watermark (the way of shading the ellipsoids which I intende

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images and R-Rfree values

2009-03-20 Thread Ian Tickle
t; Behalf Of Felix Frolow > Sent: 20 March 2009 14:31 > To: James Holton > Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] fake images and R-Rfree values > > I must add something... > ID14-2 beam line in our hands produced during first decade of 2000's > data sets th

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images and R-Rfree values

2009-03-20 Thread Felix Frolow
I must add something... ID14-2 beam line in our hands produced during first decade of 2000's data sets that for structures at about 1.8 - 1.6 Angstrom constantly leaded to a very good R - Rfree (in the range of 12 %-18%) As an example see PDB entry 1Y9A. If will be needed I will supply diff

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Dear James, About 30 years ago I wrote a clone of the program ORTEP; the clone was called XP, but unfortunately Microsoft later stole the name and brought it into disrepute. So that I would always be able to see at a glance which plots were 'genuine ORTEP' and which were my clone, I built in a s

Re: [ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi James I think the answer to your question about the 'R-factor gap' is easy to answer (but not so easy to solve!). It's obviously due to the inadequacy of our models, particularly with regards to thermal motion (anisotropy, anharmonicity etc), disorder & motion correlation/diffuse scatter, also

[ccp4bb] fake images

2009-03-20 Thread James Holton
Yes, Harry, indeed there is a program for simulating diffraction patterns. You can get a development snapshot of it here: http://bl831.als.lbl.gov/~jamesh/mlfsom/development_snapshot.tar.gz MLFSOM (mosflm in reverse) is not the only program of its kind in existence and I don't think it is a go