And by then, the IUCR will have established the CFDU (Crystallographic Fraud
Detection Unit), onto which Jack Bauer would be enlisted as a consultant ("24"
may still be running, who knows, so Jack won't be able to serve full-time on
the job). This would be fun.
Boaz
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernhard Rupp <b...@ruppweb.org>
Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:30
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] fake images
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> It took from the 'official' IUCR recommendation in 2000
>
> Guss M (2000) Guidelines for the deposition and release of
> macromolecular
> coordinate and experimental data. Acta Crystallogr. D56(1), 2.
>
> until Feb 2008 for structure factor amplitude deposition to the
> PDB
> to become mandatory.
>
> Nature started to provide coordinates and SFs to reviewers
> already around
> 2006
>
> So, with luck, mandatory image deposition will happen in less
> than a decade.
> By
> then we'll have dirt cheap solid state disks which we stick into
> a port
> labeled 'solve structure' on our 0.5 lb Windux handheld which
> then
> wirelessly transmits the model and data to the repository,
> automaticallylinking
> to your auto-generated paper's identifier, while an artificial
> intelligencepre-editing
> tool rejects your manuscript for political incorrectness.
>
> Mark my words.
>
> BR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On
> Behalf Of Eric
> Bennett
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:10 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] fake images
>
> Bernhard Rupp wrote:
>
> >I only scratched the surface and I think it would be hard work
> to fake
> >the images in a way that later expert forensics would
> >not readily provide evidence. Also, there are 'watermarks'
> available from
> >cryptographic methods that are even 'post-processing' resistant.
>
>
> A practical question is, even if it could be detected in theory,
> is
> anyone looking for it in practice? How many journal
> reviewers are
> going to audit this information?
>
> Today some structures still don't get deposited with structure
> factors. Not all journals enforce deposition policies
> well. Even if
> some future image repository can do automated image auditing,
> people
> who want to commit overt fraud will pick a journal that doesn't
> enforce deposition requirements, and decline to provide their images.
>
> A watermark or statistical analysis won't help you if you don't
> have
> access to the image. This discussion started regarding a
> place for
> people who _want_ to deposit images; unfortunately some people
> aren't
> going to do it voluntarily.
>
> -Eric
>
>
> --
>
Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D.
Dept. of Life Sciences
Ben-Gurion University of the Negev
Beer-Sheva 84105
Israel
Phone: 972-8-647-2220 ; Fax: 646-1710
Skype: boaz.shaanan
