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There's a second side to that. Reviewers who can't get enough data and request even more when you submit a decent paper with 18 pages of supplement for example. Jürgen On Mar 29, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Toufic El Arnaout wrote: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0053374

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http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0053374 On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Eric Bennett wrote: > Scott, > > I'm not sure I understand your last paragraph. Once researchers have had > their data pass peer review (which I interpret as meaning a journal has > accept

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Scott, I'm not sure I understand your last paragraph. Once researchers have had their data pass peer review (which I interpret as meaning a journal has accepted it), how often do you think it happens that it does not immediately get published? Just depositing data in the PDB, or posting it on

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asy to produce high-quality protein and crystals, this won't happen. Mark With apologies to Tom, I don't have a stop-button, Raji is right about that. -Original Message- From: vellieux To: CCP4BB Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:54 am Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] delete subject He

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t. Of course, until it becomes super-easy to produce high-quality > protein and crystals, this won't happen. > > Mark > > With apologies to Tom, I don't have a stop-button, Raji is right about > that. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: vellieux &

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On 28/03/2013 18:50, Nat Echols wrote: http://deposit.rcsb.org (or international equivalent) The advantage (in my mind) of such a system would be that you would also make public the data that does not make sense to you (it does not fit your scientific model) and this could (and has) lead to grea

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:28 AM, wrote: > Although it is hard to imagine, there could be a mechanism by > which you make all your data public, immediately when you get it and this > public record shows who "owns" it. http://deposit.rcsb.org (or international equivalent) > The advantage (in my

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to Tom, I don't have a stop-button, Raji is right about that. -Original Message----- From: vellieux To: CCP4BB Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:54 am Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] delete subject Hello, I stayed away from this thread until now - the major reason bein

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athumangalam [r...@brandeis.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:43 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] delete subject Ed, I very much agree with you. We've all had to learn that questions posted to ccp4bb and the ensuing discussions take on a life of their own. Once one posts

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That last paragraph is great: "Adam is the author of the book Surviving Your Stupid, Stupid Decision to Go to Grad School (Broadway Books, 2010) " -- Bill On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Ian Tickle wrote: > By coincidence this just landed in my Inbox: > > http://membercentral.aaas.org/multimed

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By coincidence this just landed in my Inbox: http://membercentral.aaas.org/multimedia/webinars/how-recruit-citizen-scientists-discovery So maybe after all Tom is way ahead of the rest of us in his structure-solving strategy - though I agree with others that his tactics need to be honed somewhat!

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Ed, I very much agree with you. We've all had to learn that questions posted to ccp4bb and the ensuing discussions take on a life of their own. Once one posts a question on ccp4bb, there's no such thing as "steering" the direction of the discussion on the ccp4bb and there's no such thing as the equ

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On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 12:15 +, Tom Van den Bergh wrote: > I think this is a good time to end the discussion. As a general comment, discussions on boards like ccp4bb often digress and take direction different from you original intent. I may understand your desire to try to control the situatio

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I am agree with Tassos. For me it is a quite stranger to think about hide the data to nobody see until the paper be published. In my opinion, a lot of data become obsolete (or even forgotten) because that "one more" experiment you need to publish a "great" paper (it some times takes years...). For

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, Tom Van: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] namens Steiner, Roberto [roberto.stei...@kcl.ac.uk] Verzonden: donderdag 28 maart 2013 10:08 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Onderwerp: Re: [ccp4bb] delete subject I fully agree that questions should keep coming. In

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All, I personally would feel awkward at depositing my hard fought data before the associated paper is accepted. However, a recent paper from our institution (I was not part of that study) originated from precisely the model that has been suggested in this thread: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/1

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I fully agree that questions should keep coming. In addition it might be worth pointing out that CCP4 (and others) organise great crystallographic schools which are ideal for this sort of problem. Most of the schools ask you to bring your own data (!) and you can sit down with developers and exp

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Dear all, Let me start by apologizing for finally making this email longer than I intended - I did not have the time to make it shorter. I must say I am humbled by the amount of positive energy and constructive thinking that Bill has. That must explain also how he manages to keep up a fantasti

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Hello, I stayed away from this thread until now - the major reason being that I was fitting snugly under my quilt. However I feel compelled to react now: placing your data in a public repository (thereby "proving" that you did the work) also means that a "colleague", "friend" or whatever can

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"mistake"? I beg to differ, violently: a student had an honest question and did exactly what the ccp4bb exists for: posted his question there. Moreover, when asking he showed he had thought about it, and provided complete background -- that's what we all want, right? * I disagree with Tas

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reliminary data, especially for junior people. To have such a function as part of CCP4 might be a very good suggestion, but I agree with you that perhaps it should not land in its full glory in everyone's mailbox. Mark -Original Message- From: William G. Scott To: CCP4BB Sent:

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Dear Tom, I'm sure the files can be easily removed from the server, if that is what you wish / want to happen. A quick email to the administrators at c...@ccp4.ac.uk should do the trick. Reading around all the all leg-pulling / "other comments" aside - from your post yo

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Dear Tom et al: Although arriving too late to participate in the snark-fest, it occurred to me that maybe this is almost exactly how we should solve structures and educate graduate students (or others). Instead of attachments, the relevant files could be shared via dropbox. Those of generous

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Dear Tom, don't feel too bad about it - everyone can make a mistake. Some of the replies give crystallographic tips that may be useful to other beginning and not-so-beginning crystallographers. Although I agree the attachments to the first mail would perhaps better be deleted from the record

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Is it possible to delete my post: refinement protein structure from ccp4 bb, i get too many bad reactions. I think its bettter to just delete the whole topic. Greetings, Tom