That last paragraph is great: "Adam is the author of the book Surviving Your Stupid, Stupid Decision to Go to Grad School (Broadway Books, 2010) "
-- Bill On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Ian Tickle <ianj...@gmail.com> wrote: > By coincidence this just landed in my Inbox: > > http://membercentral.aaas.org/multimedia/webinars/how-recruit-citizen-scientists-discovery > > So maybe after all Tom is way ahead of the rest of us in his > structure-solving strategy - though I agree with others that his tactics need > to be honed somewhat! > > Cheers > > -- Ian > > > On 28 March 2013 14:43, Raji Edayathumangalam <r...@brandeis.edu> wrote: > Ed, I very much agree with you. We've all had to learn that questions posted > to ccp4bb and the ensuing discussions take on a life of their own. Once one > posts a question on ccp4bb, there's no such thing as "steering" the direction > of the discussion on the ccp4bb and there's no such thing as the equivalent > of screaming "Stop! Stop! Stop!" on the ccp4bb. > > Also, I don't believe people simply woke up one day and posted irritating or > mean comments to ccp4bb. Ed was spot on for why some folks reacted the way > they did to the post so let's acknowledge that as well. > > I didn't get the impression that any of the replies suggested that students > stop posting questions. There are many many students on this BB who are in > small institutions without even the minimal help at arm's length and who get > tons of help from posting questions to the ccp4bb. That situation is not all > that distant in my own memory and I suspect for many other experts on this > BB. But posting 10MB attachments and getting the entire ccp4bb community to > crowdsource towards problem solving is all good, but only to a certain > degree. It may be great to get things done quickly with the collective > intellect of the ccp4bb but there comes a point when the correct answers may > get fed back at such a rapid speed that if one doesn't go back and try to > figure stuff out for oneself, including the reasons/theory/logic behind the > answers/solutions that the community has posted, it may be to the detriment > of one's own learning, especially if one is in the early stages of learning > the subject matter. > > Cheers, > Raji > > > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Ed Pozharski <epozh...@umaryland.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 12:15 +0000, Tom Van den Bergh wrote: > > I think this is a good time to end the discussion. > > As a general comment, discussions on boards like ccp4bb often digress > and take direction different from you original intent. I may understand > your desire to try to control the situation, but if people on this board > feel that the questions of data sharing, student training, netiquette > and proper choice of resolution cutoff are worthy of further discussion > (that may not have much to do with specifics of your original request > for assistance), it is their right too. > > What may have caused some extra grief is this unfortunate turn of phrase > in your original post > > "Could you try some refinement for me, because this is first structure > that i need to solve as a student and i dont have too many experience > with it." > > It goes a bit beyond the usual "my R-values are too high what should I > do" question and may be instinctively construed as if you expect someone > to actually do your work for you (I am sure that is not what you asked). > So a bit of a vigorous reaction that you received likely results from > misunderstanding your intent (albeit posting your data is very unusual > and strengthens the impression) and perhaps misplaced feeling that you > have abandoned attempts to resolve the problem independently too soon. > I did *not* look at your data and therefore I may be completely wrong > here, but it is my understanding that your actual issue was not > realizing there could be more than one molecule in the asymmetric unit. > > More traditional route is to describe your situation in general terms > and offer to provide data to those willing to take a closer look. > > Cheers, > > Ed. > > > -- > "Hurry up before we all come back to our senses!" > Julian, King of Lemurs > > > > -- > Raji Edayathumangalam > Instructor in Neurology, Harvard Medical School > Research Associate, Brigham and Women's Hospital > Visiting Research Scholar, Brandeis University > >
