Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-20 Thread Matthew Merski
ams that use only atom positions, distances and > >angles (excluding the question of pH dependence, let us suppose neutral > >pH)? > > > >I might here be specific with program PISA, which lists Hydrogen > >Bonds and Salt Bridges. They seem to use these bonds to estimat

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-20 Thread Mark Wilson
ds and Salt Bridges. They seem to use these bonds to estimate a Gibbs >energy for the formation of the interface. > > >Sheila > > > > >De: Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. >Enviado: terça-feira, 18 de setembro de 2018 15:10 >Para: s

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-20 Thread Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D.
>> ---------- >> *De:* Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. >> *Enviado:* terça-feira, 18 de setembro de 2018 15:10 >> *Para:* sheila_bore...@hotmail.com >> *Cc:* CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk >> *Assunto:* Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-20 Thread Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D.
rgy > for the formation of the interface. > > > Sheila > > > > -- > *De:* Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. > *Enviado:* terça-feira, 18 de setembro de 2018 15:10 > *Para:* sheila_bore...@hotmail.com > *Cc:* CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk > *Assunt

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-19 Thread Sheila Boreiko
cp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges Sorry. I may have been unclear. H-bonds are actually a subset of dipole interactions. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 1:57 PM Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. mailto:danielmhim...@gmail.com>> wrote: By the way, distinguishing between dipole and

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-19 Thread Stefano Trapani
Sorry, I did not realised that. (I should have changed subject of the original post) Yes, we are not saying different things. Stefano Le 2018-09-19 17:06, Frank von Delft a écrit : > Okay. The original poster asked about hydrogen bonds and electrostatic > interactions. That's what I wa

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-19 Thread Frank von Delft
Okay.  The original poster asked about hydrogen bonds and electrostatic interactions.  That's what I was referring to when I mentioned "enthalpic interactions". And I think you're saying the same thing - which is cool. On 19/09/2018 15:06, Stefano Trapani wrote: Hi Frank > > I mean that, in m

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-19 Thread Stefano Trapani
Hi Frank I mean that, in my opinion, the term "enthalpic interaction" is not appropriate to describe the hydrophobic effect, since the latter is mainly driven by changes in the (system) entropy, not enthalpy. Table1 of the cited paper reports the thermodynamic functions for transferring some n

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-19 Thread Frank von Delft
Hi Stefano - could you elaborate? Certainly the medicinal chemists go on a great deal about how deltaH balances deltaS and how it's bloody hard to know what is what even when you try to measure it.  Which is what that abstract also goes on about. On 19/09/2018 10:54, Stefano Trapani wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-19 Thread Stefano Trapani
Le 2018-09-19 11:59, Frank von Delft a écrit : > I believe medicinal chemists do indeed talk about "enthalpic interactions". > Frank Not a good choice either (à mon avis ...)   THE REAL REASON WHY OIL AND WATER DON'T MIX Todd P. Silverstein Journal of Chemical Education 1998 _75_ (1), 1

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-19 Thread Frank von Delft
I believe medicinal chemists do indeed talk about "enthalpic interactions".  Frank On 19/09/2018 10:40, Stefano Trapani wrote: Le 2018-09-18 19:31, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. a écrit : (where hydrophobic interactions result from van der Waals forces in an aqueous environment). Hi I am not

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-19 Thread Stefano Trapani
Le 2018-09-18 19:31, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. a écrit : > (where hydrophobic interactions result from van der Waals forces in an > aqueous environment). Hi I am not sure that, if one is to give a concise definition of hydrophobic "interactions", this would be a convenient one, because it m

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-18 Thread Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D.
Sorry. I may have been unclear. H-bonds are actually a subset of dipole interactions. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 1:57 PM Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. < danielmhim...@gmail.com> wrote: > By the way, distinguishing between dipole and ionic (salt bridge) > interactions could > be a slippery slope, becaus

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-18 Thread Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D.
By the way, distinguishing between dipole and ionic (salt bridge) interactions could be a slippery slope, because which one you have sometimes depends on the protonation state of the protein(s), which is pH dependent. -Daniel On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 1:31 PM Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. < danielmhim.

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-18 Thread Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D.
Sheila, Hydrogen bonds, ionic (i.e. salt bridge), and polar (dipole) interactions are often collectively called electrostatic interactions. Note that dipole interactions involve partial charges. If you want to exclude dipole interactions, you have say so specifically in your manuscript. Non-bond

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-17 Thread Pavel Afonine
it differentiates > > > > J > > > > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board *On Behalf Of *Sheila > Boreiko > *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 September 2018 8:06 AM > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges > > > > D

Re: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-17 Thread Joel Tyndall
Hi, Polar interactions seems to make the most sense. This is what Pymol uses as I don't think it differentiates J From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Sheila Boreiko Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2018 8:06 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bond

[ccp4bb] collective term for hydrogen bonds and salt bridges

2018-09-17 Thread Sheila Boreiko
Dear all, I had some literature search, but could not find clearly. Would there be an appropriate term to call the sum of hydrogen bonds (HB) and salt bridges (SB)? What about "hydrophilic interactions" or "polar interactions"? I am analyzing the different number of theses interactions in