Dear all,
I've just created a group on Facebook named "CCP4 Stuff". This would be a
good place to upload as much random stuff as you want (images, videos,
links, comments, etc) that nobody will care about after a couple of days.
All you need is to join (this is not an issue, considering that mos
Hmmm, after thinking some more about this I need to add: my intention in
running the CCP4 user wiki is not that it should be a dump site for
random stuff. So please don't consider the wiki as an upload site for a
file, just for sending its URL to CCP4BB, and to forget about it
afterwards once t
As I'm the one who administers the CCP4 user wiki (
http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php/Main_Page )
I'd say that yes, the wiki is made for this, and yes, disk space is not
a problem (within reason), so somebody should go ahead and create a new
article "Problematic densit
I wouldn't mind sticking to the current ccp4 netiquette and adding links to the
images in question instead of attaching the images themselves.
However, I would prefer a server dedicated to this BB rather than something like
twitter, flickr, second life, google maps or ... - there is 'free' and the
I like pine. It is especially useful if I am travelling and have a
bad connection, or (as at the moment) I am at home and one or more of
our children (three of whom are computer experts) are hogging our modest
internet connection! And using it on the computer at the lab via ssh I
dont get troubl
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 13:35 -0400, Douglas Jacobsen wrote:
> My opinion is that attached images in bb posts should be allowed:
> 1) Storage & network bandwidth is cheap
Glad to hear that University of Michigan administrators agree with you.
However, you should not forget that cheap is a compl
ssh may not be necessary, (al)pine can be configured to connect to a POP3 or
IMAP server, one of which a reasonable mail server would probably offer.
Tim
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 05:27:24PM -0400, Ed Pozharski wrote:
> pine is quite handy if you can ssh to your email server (Brandeis allows
> that
pine is quite handy if you can ssh to your email server (Brandeis allows
that, for instance). Uses very little resources, fast, and poses zero
danger of ever executing a malicious code. There is very little
functionality added in other email clients. I don't use pine anymore,
but there is no nee
On 07/02/10 14:40, Flip Hoedemaeker wrote:
Anyone still on PINE should consider a new email application :)
Flip
Alpine, for example. It even comes in a .rpm for easy installation with
Fedora or Redhat.
http://www.washington.edu/alpine/
It may not be as fancy as some of the other mail cli
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:
> I agree to this.
> What are the actual reasons against attachments?
> If one really has a slow network connection and cannot use IMAP instead of
> POP3
> (if I understand correctly, with IMAP one does not need to download the
> emails
> until o
On Jul 2, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Frederic VELLIEUX wrote:
Which "own web page"???
A facebook account
A blogger account
A flickr account
A photobucket account
etc.
For any of these options, anonymity can be ensured by your not sharing
your personal information. If complete anonymity is desired,
Anyone still on PINE should consider a new email application :)
Flip
On 7/2/2010 20:29, Tim Gruene wrote:
I agree to this.
What are the actual reasons against attachments?
If one really has a slow network connection and cannot use IMAP instead of POP3
(if I understand correctly, with IMAP one d
I agree to this.
What are the actual reasons against attachments?
If one really has a slow network connection and cannot use IMAP instead of POP3
(if I understand correctly, with IMAP one does not need to download the emails
until one actually wants to read them, but I may be wrong here, too), woul
My opinion is that attached images in bb posts should be allowed:
1) Storage & network bandwidth is cheap
2) Attached (even inline) images are convenient to understanding
the question/issue at hand
3) Emails are very easily deleted
4) If images are to be "attached" via web-links,
How about having people just link to uploaded photos on flickr
(http://www.flickr.com/) or similar free service? If you upload the photos and
select 'all images' a link is produced that can be easily shared
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4134/4755503052_bc6835dcdc.jpg). CCP4 doesn't
have wor
ths the web page can be updated.
>
> How about a policy that requests people to upload their density photos,
> etc, to the CCP4 wiki? There could be a wiki page dedicated to ccp4bb
> attachment
y photos,
etc, to the CCP4 wiki? There could be a wiki page dedicated to ccp4bb
attachments.
If disk use becomes excessive (although I think that's a danger yet) there
could be a 2 month expiration policy or something of the sort.
Ethan
>
> So I don't think th
rson in charge of the web pages for the lab, then
it requires approvals (with
signatures), and once every 6 months the web page can be updated.
So I don't think this will do!
Fred.
> Message du 02/07/10 17:05
> De : "Frances C. Bernstein"
> A : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.U
Dear Ian,
I did not know correctly and confused it with the pre-MIME era you mention at
the very end of your email when we actually had to use uuencode in order to send
non-7-bit data by email.
Thanks for the clarification, I'll do my homework.
Cheers, Tim
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 04:54:28PM +01
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Tim Gruene wrote:
> allows MIME attachments, even though I also conside MIME outdated and am
> extremely glad I do not need to fiddle with uu-en/de-code anymore.
As you no doubt know, MIME is a collection of Internet standards which
allow binary content such as ima
Why not put images, maps, or data files on your own web page
and then send out a link to that material? Then the e-mails
are small and anyone that wants to see the files has easy
access.
Frances Bernstein
=
Maybe this netiquette is a little outdated. Sending a few MB to thousands of
people is probably not much more than noise compared to current net traffic.
There is the IMAP protocol which overcomes the problem of modem connections,
which anyhow probably only affects a very, very small amount of peo
Several recent posts with decently sized attachments (now in cross eyed
stereo too!) prompt this (annual?) anti-paperclip-button rant. Lucky
for me, I can just recycle the old messages:
http://www.mail-archive.com/ccp4bb@jiscmail.ac.uk/msg11949.html
Cheers from the self-appointed thought police,
Hi Ian,
> I think the fundamental problem is that some people are still very much
> attached (pun not intended)
And none taken .-)
> to their text-based e-mail client (Pine, Pico or whatever), and I
> completely agree that on this BB we have to cater for the lowest common
> denominator. If
> -Original Message-
> From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
On
> Behalf Of William G. Scott
> Sent: 15 September 2009 15:15
> To: Ian Tickle
> Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] attachments
> jsMath provides a co
> Why do you say that?
> Typing non-ascii text is the same process whether it's wrapped in HTML or
> not.
> Here's your sigma: ∑
My e-mail client only allows me to insert non-ASCII characters into HTML (or
RTF), not plain text: the option to insert symbols is greyed out in plain text
mode. If I
cters just fine. Actually it does say that in the last sentence
you quote.
>
> -- Ian
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
> On
> > Behalf Of Phil Evans
> > Sent: 15 September 2009 12:
On Sep 15, 2009, at 5:07 AM, Ian Tickle wrote:
it doesn't provide full equation formatting capabilities,
as in LaTeX for example, but at least one can type or paste in
equations
jsMath provides a convenient and easy-to-use way to embed and render
LaTeX in HTML:
http://www.math.union.edu/
On Sep 15, 2009, at 3:43 AM, Harry Powell wrote:
I googled and found something about editing ~/Library/Preferences/
com.apple.mail.plist (double click on the icon, don't try with emacs
or vi...)and adding the following to the start of the first
dictionary:-
PreferPlainText
Try this:
> I suppose I also don't understand why people composing html messages
> would select a tiny font size, or is that a function of the Mail
> reader rather than the writer (which would seem to defeat the purpose
> of the writer formatting the message)?
Assuming your mail reader has correctly interpr
rom: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
On
> Behalf Of Phil Evans
> Sent: 15 September 2009 12:42
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] attachments
>
> On 15 Sep 2009, at 11:24, Ian Tickle wrote:
>
> >
> > Phil
>
On 15 Sep 2009, at 11:24, Ian Tickle wrote:
Phil
Nothing at all wrong with plain text for simple messages as you say,
but
if you want to communicate a complicated equation (particularly one
containing a lot of Greek letters and math symbols not in the standard
ASCII set!) the HTML version i
---
From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk
]
On
Behalf Of Phil Evans
Sent: 15 September 2009 10:47
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] attachments
There are two problems, I think
1. Sending a simple mail like this in anything other than plain text
is wastef
Of Phil Evans
Sent: 15 September 2009 10:47
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] attachments
There are two problems, I think
1. Sending a simple mail like this in anything other than plain text
is wasteful, and also enforces the sender's way of displaying it on
the reader, rather th
; option.
Cheers
-- Ian
> -Original Message-
> From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
On
> Behalf Of Phil Evans
> Sent: 15 September 2009 10:47
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] attachments
>
> There are two problems, I
ailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
On
Behalf Of Phil Evans
Sent: 15 September 2009 09:59
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] attachments
while we're on this topic, it would be nice also if messages were sent
in plain text, not as html (like yours, Norman :-)), particularly as
these
should be an option on your mail
reader (as there is on mine) to always display the plain text version.
Cheers
-- Ian
-Original Message-
From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-
ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
On
Behalf Of Phil Evans
Sent: 15 September 2009 09:59
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC
display the plain text version.
Cheers
-- Ian
> -Original Message-
> From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
On
> Behalf Of Phil Evans
> Sent: 15 September 2009 09:59
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] attachments
>
&g
while we're on this topic, it would be nice also if messages were sent
in plain text, not as html (like yours, Norman :-)), particularly as
these ones generally come out in a tiny font in my (Apple) mail
reader, for some reason
Phil
On 15 Sep 2009, at 09:45, Stein, Norman (STFC,DL,CSE) w
In the past month there have been several postings to the BB with large
(100kB or more) attachments. Can I remind subscribers that it is our
policy to discourage attachments as, amongst other things, they can
cause mailboxes to fill at an alarming rate. A link to a website
carrying the data which w
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